Stone of Change - Eldritch Rituals Cookbook

[ColsonJade]

Just think if you go the HP line with mineral.

+45 hps, Heavy fort, +5 protection +6 con skills.

Say bye bye to Minos Legens.

[Inkblack]

Positive then earth. I don't believe order matters. Nothing in crafting has had order of ingredence matter for an out come. I can't see them doing that. Everything has buildt on patterns.

I believe Mineral is just like earth and that you will always get earth for your upgrade.

Though I wouldn't be surprised that there would be a way to reverse the main element in an aspect. Probably some essense of reversal like the essense of cleansing.

So the Dominant Focus theory is confirmed.

Proposed Order, Dominant to Submissive: Earth, Air, Water?, Fire?, Positive, Negative

To err on the side of caution, I'm going to put question marks on Water and Fire until we see combined shards. I understand that the description suggests this order since dominant focuses seem to be listed first, I'm just looking for proof.

Ink

[jakeelala]

why bye to minos legens it still gives stacking toughness.

[Borror0]

why bye to minos legens it still gives stacking toughness.

Because you might get better out of that slot.

[SneakThief]

So the Dominant Focus theory is confirmed.

Where?

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

I currently have a sword that is:

Altar of Invasion :: Fire Escalation Material
Altar of Subjugation :: Earth Dominion Material
Magma I

When I make the next upgrade with:
Altar of Devastation :: Fire Escalation Material & Earth Dominion Material
I will get Magma II

I'll let you know when I finish collection large ingredients.

Just a quick note because I'm worried you might be about to waste some ingredients... The FEE and EDM supreme shards will not combine on the altar of devastation - I strongly advise against chosing this ingredient combination.

Since Earth will trump Fire when the shards are combined - chose which tier 3 effect you want from the list of six Earth weapon effects (Acid Blast, +4 AC, +2 WIS, +2 CON, Acid Absorption etc...) then make sure you create a corresponding Fire shard with the same gem and essences (e.g. if you chose to add Acid Blast, create an EDM and a FDM) . I do not believe the gems and essences you used in tier 1 and 2 play a part in the tier 3 effect or tier 3 bonus effect.

Good luck, and be sure to post the results here - Magma II on a weapon should be fun!

Garth

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

Where?

In this post CoisonJade describes how he put Positive leftmost in the altar then Earth (then power cell), and still got an Earth imbued supershard. This shows that shard order in the altar doesn't matter and instead it's determined by elemental dominance.

See Ink's post here or my post here for more details on this theory (maybe I should say axiom now)

Garth

[SneakThief]

In this post CoisonJade describes how he put Positive leftmost in the altar then Earth (then power cell), and still got an Earth imbued supershard. This shows that shard order in the altar doesn't matter and instead it's determined by elemental dominance.

See Ink's post here or my post here for more details on this theory (maybe I should say axiom now)

Garth

Apparently I missed the CoisonJade post ... I saw someone ask, but never saw the response. I would still be pretty disgusted if they are limiting you to half the possible 3rd tier effects if you want the combo. Im going to keep looking.

[AEschyl]

random off-topic question..

but if you craft an existential stalemate ITEM (not weapon) do you still get the +6 wisdom?

[Mhykke]

random off-topic question..

but if you craft an existential stalemate ITEM (not weapon) do you still get the +6 wisdom?

Yes, see pg 102 of this thread for a pic.

[Sharzade]

Here's a Tier 2 Aspect of Vacuum khopesh I made tonight. The screenshot is just for fun for anyone who wants to see it. I went Material Negative Dominion at Tier 1, and Material Air Dominion at Tier 2.



I'm about 2 ingredients away from having enough large ingredients to upgrade one of my Tier 2 items/weapons. The biggie is deciding what to upgrade first, lol!

It would be great if more screenshots could be put up of the various aspects. Has anyone upgraded either Aspect of Steam, or Aspect of Vacuum yet? I'm curious about the results.

Cheers,

Sharzade

[Ilandrya]

With at least two tests of this that have now failed, I think we can assume at this point that the order in which the two shards are placed into the altar when they are combined has no bearing on what is listed as the "dominate" focus on the dual imbued shard.

I concur about the "dominate" order of the focuses, but I'm not certain if the "dominate" focus has a bearing on "four focus enchantments". I wouldn't agree the "dominate" focus theory has been confirmed because we don't know for certain about why land and sky I failed to upgrade to land and sky II. Until we know what caused it to fail for a certainty, because it followed the pattern of "dominate" order focus yet failed, we can't assume the theory is correct when there is a fail to that theory that Eladrin stated outright wasn't due to a bug, but an error in the upgrade. The fail could be, as Willphase suggested previously, due to it being a little trickier, which keeps the theory of "dominate" focus alive, but without knowing specifically why land and sky failed to upgrade, we can't conclude at this point that the "dominate" focus theory is confirmed.

I'm interested in playing off the idea of the "dominate" focus and seeing what ideas we can come up with because I find it interesting that the developers gave us a visable clue in the descriptions of the aspects/balances as to what focus would end up dominating in the dual shard. I can't dismiss this as coincidental that this works. But, I'm not ready to state that the reason they listed a "dominate" focus on the dual shard was for anything beyond letting us know what focus would dominate in the effects we receive from the Altar of Devastation. This clue/listing of a "dominate focus" may not have anything to do with the "4 focus enchantments" at all. It may simply be for the purpose of letting us know which focus the dual shard was going to use for the third level upgrade effects prior to combining it with our item. It could have a bearing on the "4 focus enchantments" but I wouldn't assume at this point that is the case... listing a "dominate" focus on the dual shard lets people know which one would take precedent at the Altar of Devastation for the effects imparted at that altar.

That said, I'm wondering about something. At the Altar of Devastation your item thus far has "focus a" and "focus a or b" on it. If we run with the idea that the "dominate focus" of the dual shard is "a or b" also, could the order in which we place the item and the dual shard into the altar matter? Example:

dual focus shard.. magma with dominate focus of earth
item with magma I

earth, fire (earth dominate magma shard)
(earth dominate magma shard) fire, earth

This would allow for all magma I to be upgraded to magma II. Eladrin has stated that all I's can be upgraded to a II, so the order in which the first two focuses appear would have to not matter in order for this to be possible.

It also might explain why land and sky failed to upgrade.

[Borror0]

I'm about 2 ingredients away from having enough large ingredients to upgrade one of my Tier 2 items/weapons. The biggie is deciding what to upgrade first, lol!

It would be great if more screenshots could be put up of the various aspects. Has anyone upgraded either Aspect of Steam, or Aspect of Vacuum yet? I'm curious about the results.

I'd go for Ashin's Vacuum as it'll be a path very few will take, unless the reward is really neat. That's the one you should take, if you ask me.

[Ilandrya]

Sharzade, when you use your weapon, do you suffer a negative level? I've been curious about unholy damage typing on green steel weapons because at one point we had unholy weapons dropping in game, and they always resulted in a neg level penalty when weilded because we can't take an evil alignment.

I noticed that green steel blanks are "evil, magic" but didn't get a neg level from eq'ing it.

I assume the "vampiric" hp sapping effect of wearing more than one green steel accessory was done for this purpose, but if they aren't going to go with the same penalty, they should retroactively change the old unholy weapons to not give a neg level to be consistant... not sure how many people still have these items hidden away somewhere in their inventory/banks though to make this a worthwhile consideration, but we've made retroactive changes to other weapons in game before to make them in keeping with effects that came out later... The Star of Irian for example.

[Ilandrya]

Quotes from developers about "Concordant Opposition" found elsewhere:

When someone asked about why it was worded hp and sp when it only was giving them one or the other:

It's a 1% chance to gain HP, and a separate roll for a 1% chance to gain SP.
So, you do have a 1 in ten thousand chance to get HP+SP on the same hit

When someone asked about why such a low % and suggested perhaps 3-5:

A 5% proc rate would be extremely imbalancing if you wore eight of them.

The response seems to me to imply that multiple "Concordant Oppositions" stack with each other in some way.

[jjflanigan]

I may have missed it -- Why is the dominant focus proven? Why have we decided that it cannot be controlled based upon a specific essence / gem combination?

[winsom]

Am I correct to conclude that the combination of two supreme shards will only produce the bonuses from just 1 of the supreme shards, and then a bonus power (or set bonuses) is added ?

I'm planning to make Ice Goggles

Altar 1: Focus Air, Escalation, Ethereal = Air [Wizardry VI, +1 Cha skills]

Altar 2: Focus Water, Dominion, Ethereal = Water [Greater Frost Lore], together is Ice [Polar Ray x2]

Altar 3: (Focus Air, Escalation, Ethereal) [Air +100 SP, +3 CHA skills] plus second shard

(Focus Water, Dominion, Ethereal) Water) [Water unknown on equipment], together is Ice II [unknown special power]

Altar 3 will only give me one of Air +100 SP & +3 CHA skills OR the unknown Water benefit? I want to get the +100 SP addition.

Regardless, I should still get the unknown power of Ice II ? Im guessing a Freezing Ice Guard.

[EspyLacopa]

why bye to minos legens it still gives stacking toughness.

Minos Legens, lv20:

Stacking 22 HP
Heavy Fortification

Mineral II Helmet, lv16:

Stacking 45 HP
Heavy Fortification
+5 Deflection AC
+6 Exceptional Con Skills
2x Stoneskin Clickie

Draw your own conclusions on which is better.

[jjflanigan]

Why not:

Minos Legens, lv20:

Stacking 22 HP
Heavy Fortification

AND

Mineral II Goggles (or other item), lv16:

Stacking 45 HP
Heavy Fortification
+5 Deflection AC
+6 Exceptional Con Skills
2x Stoneskin Clickie

Draw your own conclusions on which is better.

[Borror0]

Why not:

Because that is only 18 HP and you probably got better to put in that slot than 22 HP...