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    Do we know for sure that only 3rd level shards can be combined? Has anybody tried combining two level 1 or level 2 shards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoot_suiter View Post
    Do we know for sure that only 3rd level shards can be combined? Has anybody tried combining two level 1 or level 2 shards?
    Yes on both counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keneith View Post
    I dun think this will work, cos its all Positive, so at tier 3, u only get 1 of the effects, not 2.
    It'd be worth trying, though, if someone has enough ingredients.

    You never know if Pos - Pos - Pos/Pos will produce a more powerful effect than Pos - Pos - Pos.

    (And it seems like that the worst thing that could happen is you'd lose an energy cell and still have your two positive shards, which could then be reused for other items.)
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    Well we tried a proper third upgrade:

    Ethereal Escalation Air Imbued Supreme Shard + Ethereal Escalation Earth Imbued supreme shard = Ethereal Escalation Earth Imbude supreme shard with Balance of Land and sky.

    This Final Combined Shard was added to some Balance of land/sky I goggles. NO SPECIAL EFFECT WAS SEEN - 24 Large ingredients etc wasted.

    One important note : The Air shard was placed in first, the earth second , and the resultant land/sky shard had the earth focus.



    Warning to all Land/Sky II maybe bugged, Eladrin can you please investigate this
    Last edited by Raidon; 03-06-2008 at 09:45 AM.

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    Did you happen to check your saves/ac wearing those goggles with no ac/save item on? Also, did the text for balance of land and sky change? (where it says +3 saves, +3 AC)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidon View Post
    Well we tried a proper third upgrade:

    Ethereal Escalation Air Imbued Supreme Shard + Ethereal Escalation Earth Imbued supreme shard = Ethereal Escalation Earth Imbude supreme shard with Balance of Land and sky.

    This Final Combined Shard was added to some Balance of land/sky I goggles. NO SPECIAL EFFECT WAS SEEN - 24 Large ingredients etc wasted.

    One important note : The Air shard was placed in first, the earth second , and the resultant land/sky shard had the earth focus.



    Warning to all Land/Sky II is obviously bugged, Eladrin can you please investigate this
    Hey Raidon,

    What was your first altar upgrade and second altar upgrades?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidon View Post
    One important note : The Air shard was placed in first, the earth second , and the resultant land/sky shard had the earth focus.
    Interesting. And you got the earth-version of the third tier effect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidon View Post
    Well we tried a proper third upgrade:

    One important note : The Air shard was placed in first, the earth second , and the resultant land/sky shard had the earth focus.
    Quote Originally Posted by MysticTheurge View Post
    Interesting. And you got the earth-version of the third tier effect?
    And what were the 1st and 2nd tier elements?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticTheurge View Post
    Interesting. And you got the earth-version of the third tier effect?
    Woo...it's inching towards me being right ever so slowly!!! (sorry, just carefree ribbing)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjflanigan View Post
    Woo...it's inching towards me being right ever so slowly!!! (sorry, just carefree ribbing)
    Hush up you!

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    1st upgrade material escalation earth
    2nd upgrade ethereal escalation air
    3rd upgrade ( ethereal escalation air )+ (ethereal escalation earth) = ethereal escalation earth / Land/Sky



    So either it is bugged or the supreme upgrade earth shard should have been material escalation earth
    The combined shard did have land/sky on it , so it seems strange it didn't upgrade fully.

    saves , reistance , protection, skills all checked with no " hidden bonus' "
    Last edited by Raidon; 03-06-2008 at 09:37 AM.

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    I was going to suggest that we test the + + tier 3 combine using different types(+ED, +MD for example) but then realized that we would not have any idea if it failed, why it had failed. Either + + not working or different gem/essence not working.

    So this post is basically a waste of time..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidon View Post
    1st upgrade material escalation earth
    2nd upgrade ethereal escalation air
    3rd upgrade ( ethereal escalation air )+ (ethereal escalation earth) = ethereal escalation earth / Land/Sky

    http://stormlords.net/crafting/images/balance2.jpg

    So either it is bugged or the supreme upgrade earth shard should have been material escalation earth
    The combined shard did have land/sky on it , so it seems strange it didn't upgrade fully.

    saves , reistance , protection, skills all checked with no " hidden bonus' "
    Maybe the missing material, but if that were the case one would assume that the supreme power shards would not have combined to a single Land/Sky. I'd say this is buggered.
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    An item that possesses "Balance of Land and Sky" does possess an upgrade path, it is not bugged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidon View Post
    Well we tried a proper third upgrade:

    Ethereal Escalation Air Imbued Supreme Shard + Ethereal Escalation Earth Imbued supreme shard = Ethereal Escalation Earth Imbude supreme shard with Balance of Land and sky.

    This Final Combined Shard was added to some Balance of land/sky I goggles. NO SPECIAL EFFECT WAS SEEN - 24 Large ingredients etc wasted.

    One important note : The Air shard was placed in first, the earth second , and the resultant land/sky shard had the earth focus.
    Well, I'd argue you only wasted 12 as you got the standard tier 3 property anyway, but I agree it sucks.

    Perhaps the tier 3 shards have to be the same as the respective tier 1/2 shards? And I've been arguing for a "Dominant" focus since Will posted his info, but noooooo that couldn't be right, now could it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladrin View Post
    An item that possesses "Balance of Land and Sky" does possess an upgrade path, it is not bugged.
    Thankyou For your speedy response Eladrin. Oh well taking one for the research . Good to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladrin View Post
    An item that possesses "Balance of Land and Sky" does possess an upgrade path, it is not bugged.
    *blink* Really, but existential stale mate does have an upgrade path, so maybe tempered should be used to compliment the balance of land and sky? Or positive and negative?
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    Quote Originally Posted by studentx View Post
    *blink* Really, but existential stale mate does have an upgrade path, so maybe tempered should be used to compliment the balance of land and sky?
    I think it has more to do with the non-focus components of his shards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladrin View Post
    An item that possesses "Balance of Land and Sky" does possess an upgrade path, it is not bugged.
    Guess that one is more complex, Because logically.. You can't add more balance to whats already balanced.. But you could add another 2 elements to the balance.

    So try water + fire.

    Balance of Land, Sky, Sea and Lava

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidon View Post
    1st upgrade material escalation earth
    2nd upgrade ethereal escalation air
    3rd upgrade ( ethereal escalation air )+ (ethereal escalation earth) = ethereal escalation earth / Land/Sky
    Quote Originally Posted by Eladrin View Post
    An item that possesses "Balance of Land and Sky" does possess an upgrade path, it is not bugged.
    crud... It would appear that your doing material on the stage one killed you getting the upgrade.

    The previous concordant use EE the entier way. You went ME, then EE and EE. What do you bet you have to stay the same focuse the entier way? *sigh* well.. that is rather disappointing. So much for what I've been working on to get what I wanted. At least it won't be a complete waste.

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