post patch abbot down in japanese server

[Strakeln]

Wow, that is a really good way to solve the phase puzzle... instead of talking/typing, watch the person with the goggles and move across the puzzle in conjunction with them.

Easily practiced outside the raid, too...

So you guys know, the asteroid puzzle "solution" is bound to be changed, so we will once again have a "new" post-post-post-patch release in some number of weeks. I'm kicking myself now though... I thought to use that strategy for inferno, but it never occurred to me to do so with the asteroid puzzle. (So you don't bother trying, it doesn't work to survive the inferno - it does 2089238473289 points of damage to your fingertips)

[Pellegro]

Wow 3 cheers to them !!!

I gotta say though ... I'm not so sure the Asteroids puzzle solution that they applied is an expoit, or bug. I think it may be as intended.

Its a puzzle ....

And its in great D&D tradition to force players to figure out non-combat ways to get through thorny problems. The DQ pre-req comes to mind, where the best solution is to run, run, run to the end and fight there.

Makes perfect sense to me ... I would not be surprised if this is the solution to the "impossible" "buggy" quest that was frustrating so many folks.

Sometimes, the easy solution is right there, staring you in the face ....

GRATS again to these folks !!! Job well done!

EDIT: I'll add, that it doesn't appear that "bandwidth" would make any difference at all. Lag spikes - perhaps. But the fact that bandwidth may be higher in Japan should be irrelevant, as the amount of data being transferred is well below even U.S.A.'s grand standards. Even lag spikes, I'm not sure how that would affect it. And the problem of the ice wand firing into the ceiling... not sure, but could it have anything to do with being cast 2x in a row?

[maddmatt70]

With comments like that, I'm thinking maybe the server might improve if you went to a different one?

Qwijy, I was pretty frustrated with my server as I could not find a regular group to run the abbot raid. I have been trying for the last couple of months really to get a regular group, but have not succeeded. You know this. Thanks to these videos it is now possible to get a group as people now believe the abbot can be beaten. Last night I was in a regular group running the abbot raid. We plan to run the abbot nightly now which is really great for me as this is the thing I have most wanted to do in the game for the last couple of months..

[Litz]

Gratz to them, sounds like they got it done but just by the skin of thier teeth. Guessing with the level cap increase we'll get some more people to get it done.

[Lewcipher]

Actually a Norwegian Grandma on a test server achieved a 40 Gbps speed.. (OC768 for fellow SONET geeks)...but overall yes Japan has the fasted due to the small size of their country. Not that hard to bury single mode NDSF or even ZDSF fiber compared to here.

[Grond]

Congratulations to them, way to stick with it and get it done!

[yk49]

So, if you know, did the group actually use this "cheesy" tactic on the asteroid room to complete the raid? I sure hope not. If so, they still get credit for doing a pretty amazing thing, but less credit than they'd get if they didn't use this kind of cheesy tactic, possible exploit.

i got no clue if they did it that way or not.

[direwolf33]

Gratz to them, sounds like they got it done but just by the skin of thier teeth. Guessing with the level cap increase we'll get some more people to get it done.

From what I've seen of the raid, I don't see the level cap increase helping much. The main challenge right now is mastering the puzzles, which a level bump won't help.

[Mystikill]

Jan 17 - Ascension Chamber solved

From Dec 26th '07, we've been tryin this quest about 150 times (7 times a day in average it is).

1/150 and just barely. Yup serious dedication indeed.

[Goolann]

How do they get the necessary Hot-Key presses to show on their hotbars?

[Yen_Lo_Wang]

Congrats on the abbot like i've been saying is not impossible for both the abbot and the puzzle, while never thought to use the person as a guide did find the path running across in a straight line and was how i managed to make my way across. Also notice there is only one person in the asteroid room try practicing catching ledges or you will fall tatic we tried for the center room and its not as easy as ya think.

[Cannon]

Well done to the group that beat this. The dedication needed is astounding! ~150 tries? I am impressed. Nice job.

Cannon


ps thanks for showing those videos

[Kerr]

So for the asteroids room, their video shows people hanging onto the ledge of the pedestal? I can't see that not being an exploit if the GMs want to force us to beat the puzzle. I bet the Devs take away the 'ledge' coding that lets you hang onto it in the future.

[Dimz]

I do not see the hanging on the ledge as an exploit. I have been in asteroids many times, I would say about 20-30 times. Beating it with the asteroids is nearly impossible with the amount that comes at you and how fast they are. Hanging on the ledge works so it must be intended. Otherwise they would code the rocks to knock you off the ledge anyways. Kudos to these fine players, and hopefully my group on khyber will beat it soon. We have already accomplished beating ice consistantly and now asteroids. Just need to nail down that strategy for phase goggle puzzle.

PS- at the end of goggles the dm said a small pouched waited for them, anyone know what the item in the pouch is or does. I have heard it lets you see the mana draining ghost mobs, but just want to confirm if we know what they do etc.

[Kerr]

I do not see the hanging on the ledge as an exploit. I have been in asteroids many times, I would say about 20-30 times. Beating it with the asteroids is nearly impossible with the amount that comes at you and how fast they are. Hanging on the ledge works so it must be intended. Otherwise they would code the rocks to knock you off the ledge anyways. Kudos to these fine players, and hopefully my group on khyber will beat it soon. We have already accomplished beating ice consistantly and now asteroids. Just need to nail down that strategy for phase goggle puzzle.

Sorry, but that's ridiculous and the comment that you can do something means it's not an exploit is a absolute falsehood. There have been many things that you 'could' do have been declared exploits and had people banned for it. Don't fool yourself.

[Dimz]

Sorry, but that's ridiculous and the comment that you can do something means it's not an exploit is a absolute falsehood. There have been many things that you 'could' do have been declared exploits and had people banned for it. Don't fool yourself.

Fool Myself. There are ledges.. You can hang from them. It is just playing smart as of right now its one of the only ways to beat it, obviously they figured that out as well as I did. Throwing rocks at the asteroids just didn't work. They are coming at the platform too fast.

[Strakeln]

I'm with Dimz on this. I've been in the asteroid puzzle many times, and the best strategy I've seen before this one was to not even bother shooting... just work on staying in the middle. While my first instinct (as noted by my earlier post) was that this was an exploit, the more I think about it, the more I think the puzzle was designed to be "impossibly" hard... unless you know how to solve it.

It just feels... planned.

[Kerr]

They ... "planned" ... people to just hang off the edge instead of using the rocks to blow up the asteroids.



Whatever.

[Yen_Lo_Wang]

They ... "planned" ... people to just hang off the edge instead of using the rocks to blow up the asteroids.



Whatever.

Gotta agree hanging off the ledge aint planned just like being able to cast and attack while hanging onto ledges was not planned but you can do it if you know how.

[Dimz]

I will agree with all of you when they shorten the speed on the asteroids and how many there is. Right now its very unfair. There is no way that I can imagine 2 people surviving and completing asteroids without using the current method of hanging onto the edge. If you know someone who is beating it with the asteroid rocks, then tell them to PM with a link to the youtube fraps. That is all.