my 20th raid experience

[CSFurious]

i have been faithfully running the stormreaver elite with my capped sor for the past 10 weeks in search of my 20th completion

first, i think 20 is too many, it should be 10

second, i have to say that several pieces of loot that i could not use dropped for me during these runs, i can remember treason, madstone boots & the ring of lies all dropping for me, & i gave them all away

third, on my 20th run, luck shined upon me as i pulled the head of good fortune & there on my reward list was the dreamspitter which is a good item for a drow sor with 34 chr who likes to cast enchanting spells

fourth, however, all my reward list consisted of were named items from the raid; it was my understanding that tomes would be on there &/or some **** good loot; however, i did get some very good items most of the time that i ran the raid as my end reward, e.g., +6 dex gloves & +6 str bracers

overall, i have no complaints with this system, i would just suggest to the devs that 20 be reduced to 10

[Mad_Bombardier]

fourth, however, all my reward list consisted of were named items from the raid; it was my understanding that tomes would be on there &/or some **** good loot

Tomes have the same chance of being on the 20th completion reward list as they have of dropping as raid loot in the raid.

Glad you got something useful! I, too, like the new system. Though, I wish the number of raids started lower and scaled up. Something like 10/25/45/70/100 instead of 20/40/60/80/100.

[arminius]

I wouldn't cry if the "20th run" list was given a dedicated tome slot (with a small chance of tomes dropping in the other slots as well). It still could be a useless tome to your build, but them's the breaks.

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[Vizzini]

I like the idea of incrementally upping the number of times once you get past 10!

/signed

Tomes have the same chance of being on the 20th completion reward list as they have of dropping as raid loot in the raid.

Glad you got something useful! I, too, like the new system. Though, I wish the number of raids started lower and scaled up. Something like 10/25/45/70 instead of 20/40/60/80.

[Wutinni]

i would just suggest to the devs that 20 be reduced to 10

I agree with this statement not because of the added loot, simply because it makes sense. Think about it.....

20th Runs occur once every 3 months at the absolute earliest. With new Raids every 4 months (on average) and better gear being implemented with higher level caps is it really worth it to run the Raids for the purpose of a 20th run? If this was lowered to 10 then we would be getting decent look atleast once a month or every other month.

Another Suggestion for the upcoming 2 year mark in DDO would be a temporary suspension of the 3 day waiting period between Raids.

[WeaselKing]

As I understand it (really just speculation here) at best there is an equal chance of all the named loot dropping but a tome is one item, if you roll it then it rolls for type of tome (presumably equal chance). Therefore a tome of a specific type would have 1/6th the chance of dropping compared to other named items but a tome has an equal chance to other items. Of course, loot maybe weighted instead in which case, sorry its just plain harder to get (+2 or +3) tomes than it is to get other items, do not, I repeat, do not expect them to drop on your 20th raid. They won't come until you least suspect or until you paid 1000000 plat to get that very one.

[Drider]

I agree with this statement not because of the added loot, simply because it makes sense. Think about it.....

20th Runs occur once every 3 months at the absolute earliest. With new Raids every 4 months (on average) and better gear being implemented with higher level caps is it really worth it to run the Raids for the purpose of a 20th run? If this was lowered to 10 then we would be getting decent look atleast once a month or every other month.

Another Suggestion for the upcoming 2 year mark in DDO would be a temporary suspension of the 3 day waiting period between Raids.

You mean 2 months don't you? 20 runs x 3 day timer = 60ish days.

And suspension of the raid timer would be a huge mistake. People would just run Reaver constantly, that drops all the tomes people want.. +2's in the end chest as well as the +3 for raid loot.

[tihocan]

20 reaver completions is really easy to get, I would definitely not drop it to 10.
Yes it does take some time because of the timer, but all it requires is 30 mins every 3 days, and people would want guaranteed +3 tomes out of it...

[CSFurious]

in this thread, can be characterized "let's keep the leet, elite"

please

10 times is enough, & if i run something 20 or 40 times, i deserve something good for my time

after a while, people will stop raiding & then this game is over because there are not enough new people coming into replace those that are departing

[Kerr]

in this thread, can be characterized "let's keep the leet, elite"
please
10 times is enough, & if i run something 20 or 40 times, i deserve something good for my time
after a while, people will stop raiding & then this game is over because there are not enough new people coming into replace those that are departing

The problem is that you think you are owed anything by the game in terms of loot.

You aren't.

[Evisle]

I don't mind the system - I just wish that my luck was better or maybe wish that the loot tables were a bit more forgiving.

I play this game WAAAAAAY too much and I have 11 capped characters. I raid frequently so luckily I have pulled most of the loot that I need or want on my characters. At this point I mostly raid for fun, to help out guildies and for the possibility of the elusive +3 tome.

At this point I have hit my 20th reaver timer 9 times - once each on eight different characters and twice now on my main - my cleric. Guess how many times I have had an option of a +3 tome on my end list? Any +3 tome.

The answer is never.

At this point it is actually getting a bit frustrating to me that I can run the reaver somewhere in excess of 180 times since the raid loot change and not see one tome pop up on one character. I realize that the drop rate +3 tomes is rare and this is reflected in their appearance on the 20th reaver loot list, but it is actually at the point for me where it is frustrating to run these raids - even for the purpose of earning a tic on the raid timer - as I know at the end of the day chances are that I am not going to get a tome anyways. I should note that since the raid changes (and since I have been keeping track) my guild has seen exactly two +3 tomes drop in the end chest of the regular raid - and we run the Reaver regularly on elite with close to a full party. So getting a +3 tome in the regular course of the raids has proved elusive for me too.

I would advocate for a higher chance of a drop rate for +3 tomes for characters as they hit each of their 20th timer marks. After someone has run a 20, 40, 60, 80 or even a 100 times I think that there should be some consideration given to increasing the chance that they might pull a +3 tome.

I know folks who have been luck enough to pull +3 tomes on their 20th end list. Unfortunately, I know more folks who have not. I also realize at this point my lack of success in my 20th rewards it really just a sign that I am the Susan Lucci of DDO Raid Loot. However, I would like to see a system that increased (however slightly) the chance of getting a +3 tome. I like the Reaver - it is a fun group raid - but at this point it is almost a chore and that is shame in many ways.

Veras Divania (13 Cleric/1 Fighter)

[Lorien_the_First_One]

As I understand it (really just speculation here) at best there is an equal chance of all the named loot dropping but a tome is one item, if you roll it then it rolls for type of tome (presumably equal chance). .

One of the devs said that wasn't a case in another thread. We apparently have a D&D like loot table with a different chance attached to each item. So if you win the 1/6 roll for loot (or for each roll on your 20th run), your chance of a dreamspitter is not necessarily the same as your chance of the ring of lies or a +3 tome. Each has its own %chance based on the drop frequency the devs want...and clearly they have a rather low % attached to tomes relative to other items.

[llevenbaxx]

20X on the Reaver is np sure. What about the other raids though. I wouldnt doubt that the Reaver is run more than all the other raids combined.

For the other raids I agree 10X for the first loot listing would be a great idea. Raids content was never really all that fun imo, I just do them for the chance at the loot. Period. I think the scaling after the 10th would be a good way to keep it from getting out of control while still leaving the grinders something attainable to shoot for.

[Kerr]

Each has its own %chance based on the drop frequency the devs want...and clearly they have a rather low % attached to tomes relative to other items.

As they should. Tomes are INCREDIBLY powerful. Think of it this way, it's effectively giving you +4 to your level if it's a +1 tome, or +12 if it's +3!!! I was shocked to see so many tomes around after playing DDO and thinking the number of times they show up in my PnP game.

Anything that allows to permanently increase an attribute and requires no slot for wearing it should be rare. The higher the value, the rarer the book.

[Boulderun]

Uh... you gain a lot more with 4 character/class levels than just a +1 to a chosen stat, you know. That is a thoroughly flawed comparison.

[Citymorg]

My understanding is that on your 20th run you get to choose from all raid loot items as your end reward. That said, they are still randomly generated which ones you get. There is not always a tome in it, you just have a chance for it to show in your list. (I didn't get any tomes in my 20th run either)

[Pellegro]

I also think 20 is too many.

Fact is, if you're going to give away raid loot and/or high level tomes for repeating a quest, people will repeat it.

I don't think encouraging people to run run and rerun 5 particular quests is a great idea.

I do think getting raid loot - even 1 piece - into everyone's hands *is* a good idea. It keeps the spirit going (must .. have ... more).

Thus, I think getting one at 10, then at longer intervals, is a great way to do it.

In the end though its all kind of arbitrary ....

[Arnya]

I have run the reaver many, many times.

I have seen a +3 wisdom tome go to a pally, +3 int tome taken by the fighter (he said he failed too many saves(??!!), looted and dropped group) and I got a +3 str tome on my str ranger.

I am comfortable with the drop rate. I would like more +3 tomes but doesn't everybody?

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I have seen a ... +3 int tome taken by the fighter (he said he failed too many saves(??!!),

I dunno, sounds like he needed an int boost

[Drider]

I've managed to get a +3 tome off every 20 I have it so far. Now were they the ones I wanted? Not necessarily... My wiz didn't need that +3 str tome.