Just wondering

[brshelton]

Well, can't say that it is worth more than the market because above I offered him a full set if he wants. If it is not worth a lot, why does every trade post have a w/p dagger/rapier in the items they want? You have one of those post if I remember correctly.



I am saying that at worst you are under pricing it. You were correct that it is worth way more than 4 tomes that are farmable. I am just hoping that the OP does not let someone get the second best weapon in the game off of him for such a low price.

If someone reading these posts has a place we can go farm a w/p dagger or rapier, please post for all of us that have no idea where that farm is. For those that want tomes, they are in the pre-raid for Abbot. Rez Rings are in Ghola Fan. Both quest are easy to run with a decent group and odds of both items are same normal or elite, so go for the easy route.

you do know the exploits gone?

[Beherit_Baphomar]

you do know the exploits gone?

What difference does that make?

People still pull Rez rings from the same chest. Every time a rez ring is pulled, guess what chest it came from.
Every time a bloodstone is pulled, guess what chest it came from.
Every time Ethereal bracers are pulled, guess what chest they came from.

Every time a w/p weapon is pulled its totally random over how many chests in the game? Hundreds, maybe thousands?

Tome pages may not fall very often, but they will fall. You can trade tome page V for tome page IV. So even if the one you need
doesnt fall just come here and offer it up, someone needs the one you have two of.

Now, all that said, its up to the OP what value they put on the pages vs. the w/p dagger. Id never trade a bloodstone for a paralyzer, because Ive a bajillion para's. But someone with five bloodstones and no para's may.

Its all relative.

[Burradin]

I said you could farm them, that does not mean exploit. As the previous post said, they comes from the same chest. You can find LFM's posted all the time for runs for rez rings or abbott pre-raid runs. Since no one is running the Abbott raid, they must be going for loot and tomes. You can buy tomes on the auction, but you don't see w/p daggers or rapiers out there. It is about how much effort you are willing to put forth. I trade for planar girds myself because I hate farming for them. But I would never offer someone a planar gird and 10K plat for a +6 stat ring like someone did me. One of the reasons I just quit posting a trade list out here, easier to just trade with friends or buy off auction or wait until you find it yourself. You have folks that buy taps off auction because they don't want to run around orchard and get them. Kewl, they got the plat and want to buy them, great. Doesn't make taps a big ticket item.

Someone early on in this thread said it really does not matter what strangers think it is worth. It matters what you want for it. If you can get someone to give you that and you are happy, that is what it was worth to you. When both sides are happy, then it was a good trade.

[brshelton]

I said you could farm them, that does not mean exploit. As the previous post said, they comes from the same chest. You can find LFM's posted all the time for runs for rez rings or abbott pre-raid runs. Since no one is running the Abbott raid, they must be going for loot and tomes. You can buy tomes on the auction, but you don't see w/p daggers or rapiers out there. It is about how much effort you are willing to put forth. I trade for planar girds myself because I hate farming for them. But I would never offer someone a planar gird and 10K plat for a +6 stat ring like someone did me. One of the reasons I just quit posting a trade list out here, easier to just trade with friends or buy off auction or wait until you find it yourself. You have folks that buy taps off auction because they don't want to run around orchard and get them. Kewl, they got the plat and want to buy them, great. Doesn't make taps a big ticket item.

Someone early on in this thread said it really does not matter what strangers think it is worth. It matters what you want for it. If you can get someone to give you that and you are happy, that is what it was worth to you. When both sides are happy, then it was a good trade.

well said in the last paragraph im just saying rez ring=3 minute run bloodstone=3 minute run tome pages=30-60 minute run so in the time it takes for one page chest you just ransacked one if not both of the others so that would put the value of one page 10-20x that of a bloodstone and rez ring assuming the same drop rate. So 8 pages =80x-160x that of stone or ring time wise if you get **** lucky and get one page a run but more like one every 3-5 runs so a set of tome pages is worth 240x-800x a stone or ring time wise. Math is probably off but decent enough to show the difference in the items yall are comparing to pages. Xorian Cipher is slightly longer but more you get 3 chests so it balances out with the stone and ring IMO. At 40 minutes a run and 1 page every 5 runs thats 1600 hours for a full set.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

well said in the last paragraph im just saying rez ring=3 minute run bloodstone=3 minute run tome pages=30-60 minute run

W/P weapon = 2 years + of gaming.

In fact, you yourself just posted in the Achievements forum that you just got your first W/P weapon, a dagger, after what looks like 1 year + DDO'ing.

[brshelton]

W/P weapon = 2 years + of gaming.

In fact, you yourself just posted in the Achievements forum that you just got your first W/P weapon, a dagger, after what looks like 1 year + DDO'ing.

yes and i actually need to edit that forgot the dagger i traded to eclave for 2 tome pages because I never used it and had for such a short period of time. My trade was pre public knowledge of the exploit. I believe I started November of '06? October maybe? so about right on play time. I didn't even know what W/P was until about 6-9 months ago though.

[azzule]

Thanks alot for everyones thoughts it has been very helpful

[brshelton]

Thanks alot for everyones thoughts it has been very helpful

have fun with your ranger go STR based dwarf FTW

[Beherit_Baphomar]

have fun with your ranger go STR based dwarf FTW

Man, you are just FULL of bad advice, aintcha?

DEX based Elf FTW!!!

[Aspenor]

have fun with your ranger go STR based dwarf FTW

Why on earth would a strength based dwarf use a dagger????

[brshelton]

Why on earth would a strength based dwarf use a dagger????

I couldnt find a disadvantage to using a w/p on str vs dex and you gain a feat and aren't limited by finesse only weapons. You also can be effective on red nameds etc easier. And why would a Str based barb use a dagger?

[Aspenor]

I couldnt find a disadvantage to using a w/p on str vs dex and you gain a feat and aren't limited by finesse only weapons. You also can be effective on red nameds etc easier. And why would a Str based barb use a dagger?

Well, if he was smart, he wouldn't!

He'd use a rapier!!

[brshelton]

Well, if he was smart, he wouldn't!

He'd use a rapier!!

lol :P only you would make that response asp that gave me a good laugh. but seriously do dex really have an edge on STR with w/p? is there something im missing? besides my brain or some smart alec comment asp is typing now :P

[Aspenor]

lol :P only you would make that response asp that gave me a good laugh. but seriously do dex really have an edge on STR with w/p? is there something im missing? besides my brain or some smart alec comment asp is typing now :P

Not really I just don't understand the "dwarf" comment, TBH.

Dwarves get racial bonuses with axes.

And besides if I were going to build a barbarian I would wait for half-orcs, all the dwarves that are running around nowadays are going to be insanely jealous of half-orcs....

[brshelton]

Not really I just don't understand the "dwarf" comment, TBH.

Dwarves get racial bonuses with axes.

And besides if I were going to build a barbarian I would wait for half-orcs, all the dwarves that are running around nowadays are going to be insanely jealous of half-orcs....

dwarves get dwarven toughness more con more balance. Hp potential is much higher which is good when duel wielding. I though tmy 40AC Dueling was good then I stepped into GH Elite. I mailed myself a Con 5 necklace and farmed and got minos legen. 280 hp at lvl 11. I say dwarf simply for hp potential nothing to do with axes. My last elf ranger had such a low hp as do many rangers if your gonna do the DPS/Con you do you need that hp on end game elite content. Basically substitute toughness for weapon finesse and spend some AP on dwarf con and dwarf toughness and voila a lot more hp than an elf. 42 just from con. 20 from dwarven toughness. 5 if you take a fighter level. Also the hp from just the toughness feat. I also found being a dwarf nice in low levels as SC was a joke with favored giant and dwarf giant dodger. If your poor (like me) RR Dwarven Axes make for cheap vorpals, paralyzers, and disruptors. Also found a lot of people dont check the daggers on AH as its full of caster ****. Get good deals there for your crit range weapons such as smiting and banishing.

[thisgamesull]

Well, can't say that it is worth more than the market because above I offered him a full set if he wants. If it is not worth a lot, why does every trade post have a w/p dagger/rapier in the items they want? You have one of those post if I remember correctly.



I am saying that at worst you are under pricing it. You were correct that it is worth way more than 4 tomes that are farmable. I am just hoping that the OP does not let someone get the second best weapon in the game off of him for such a low price.

If someone reading these posts has a place we can go farm a w/p dagger or rapier, please post for all of us that have no idea where that farm is. For those that want tomes, they are in the pre-raid for Abbot. Rez Rings are in Ghola Fan. Both quest are easy to run with a decent group and odds of both items are same normal or elite, so go for the easy route.

If any 1 knows where to farm w/p weapons DO NOT tell any 1 where to farm it.(even though i know there's no such place)
think about it did +1 loot weekend really help any 1?
my opinion is HECK NO It destroyed the market
So for the love of everything good and bad dont mess the rarity of the w/p weapons up



R.I.P. vorpal's banisher's paralyzer's smiter's and disruptors


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