Up Up and Away!!!!

[MysticTheurge]

If it got put in and usable in some quests and not others first, it says you need to use fly in this quest. That takes away from having to figure out how to do the quest, which is part of the fun of first running.

Allowing Fly to work in more quests doesn't mean that you need to use fly in all those quests. It just means they're built in a way that makes them non-exploitable via the Fly spell.

EQ1 had levitate. You basically bobbed along, but it let you run over water and hills and made getting around easier.

Then they put in some dungeons that had lava and such, and just made it so levitate didn't work, because they didn't want you to be able to bypass those hazzards so easily. Why even bother then? That's bad content design where you have to take away abilities so that you feel you made players experience that aspect.

D&D levitate doesn't work that way. It allows you to move directly up and down and that's all.

And I disagree with your assessment. There are, in fact, entire sections of D&D books on how to create adventures that take into account the PC's access to "travel" magic and still be challenging. One of the things they (obviously) suggest is setting up certain kinds of hazards that prevent the spells (or whatever) from working. It shouldn't be the only thing you do, but why shouldn't use do it sometimes?

For instance, if I were an Evil Genius, I might put a permanent Anti-Magic field over the lava pit in my lair. I mean... why wouldn't I?

[Hafeal]

I try and miminize potential whining.

Can you do something about the whining to change the loot system back ...

[Yaga_Nub]

For instance, if I were an Evil Genius, I might put a permanent Anti-Magic field over the lava pit in my lair. I mean... why wouldn't I?

Or maybe reverse gravity? Or lava sharks with frickin' lazers on their heads!

[Dane_McArdy]

I'm saying it's poor design to allow a spell to work sometimes and not others. Having something like an antimagic field is one thing. Just turning it off because you don't want it used in a dungeon is another.

That also adds a whole new element of designing dungeons that flying wouldn't be a problem. How much time and testing will that take? Will that means less detailed dungeons to prevent stuck spots? And what about perching? Sure in some dungeons the ceiling is low enough so that you could still say the mob could hit you. But many dungeons have large areas.

They already have gone around and taken out perches, because they could be used to trivalize content. Aren't we just opening up another set of possiblities to do that? Oh sure you could have mobs dispell those flying, but you don't drop like a rock, you float down. Surely, you just recast the spell. Zoooooom back up! because the ability to cast any spell so many times makes using fly to get through a dungeon the easiest option, rather like how SF and CK did. And how firewall does still.

Does that mean redesigning mobs so that all have the ability for ranged or melee combat? Wouldn't it be silly for a pack of wolves to beable to toss rocks?

Yes, fly would be great. Fly would also cause so much other work, problems and exploits that the game probably should avoid.

[Dane_McArdy]

Can you do something about the whining to change the loot system back ...

Taken care of. Those threads have been locked. I'm sure anyone that tries to start them up again will get slapped.

[Yvonne_Blacksword]

What? All your casters go commando? Interesting!

Your's don't?!!!

What is the point of wearing robes then...geee...
I thought the arcane spell failure a was due to...
um....
nevermind.
anyone feel a draft?

[Ozark_Spellmaster]

Or maybe reverse gravity? Or lava sharks with frickin' lazers on their heads!

LMMFAO!!! That made my laugh for about 15 min. Wasn't expectin that. Effin (Kobold, blah) Awesome

Surely, you just recast the spell. Zoooooom back up! because the ability to cast any spell so many times makes using fly to get through a dungeon the easiest option

Thats were the timer comes into effect. hell to summon a Scorrow for a Drow is what, 20 min cooldown