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I think of my first couple of days in the game when I fell to my death repeatedly in STK and the team I was on was full of a guild players that had been friends in RL for years and had played games like this together for a long time. I could have imagined the looks on their faces. And yet, I laughed and apologized and explained I've only been playing for 2 days. They slowed down for me and in the end invited me to their guild. Within a month I knew the game very well and was made an officer in that guild.
My secret to any success in life and in this game... explain what you know and can do or don't know and can't do and then have thick skin to deal with how people may react.
I think that is why I faired well on Xoriat.
Every person thinks they are special and after a long time playing the game and accomplishing much feel that they are pretty good. They spend so much time learning the hard way how to do these quests that sometimes they can get frustrated if someone comes in and doesn't know much or contributes little or worse still... messes things up and blows the quest.
I don't think these people necessary think of themselves as the "elite" because of that. Or maybe some do... who knows what goes through everyone's mind.
Anyways... simple as this... make sure you are honest about what you know and don't know when joining a team and then understand if they decide you may not be the best fit at the time. Most of the best players will take anyone onto the team and make it work no matter what, even if they have to use 100 heal scrolls or recall 3 times for mana. I can't count how many times I've had to sacrifice to make sure our team succeeds, but in the end I feel good about myself and hopefully I've gained some respect and / or friends. I know for one, if someone is honest with me upfront, I will keep them on team and just spend a bit more time explaining, or if I'm in a hurry, I will just tell them to stand back, watch and learn and hopefully that is okay.
BUT (big but, not butt)... There are many of us, and I have done this... where we have limited time one night and really want to get a quest done. We make a team to do it and someone messes it up... intentionally or not and we get a tad upset. So... to those... when you make a team, let people know what your situation is... limited time or patience... etc. Or, just stack a team this time with people you know well and don't make the poor new player feel like ***** when the quest goes ary.
And... do not make the mistake I sometimes make... When I try to get onto a team and I'm not accepted... yea, it's happened 2 or 3 times that I can think of... don't take it personal. Maybe you just weren't the right fit. One guy even let me onto team, but when I was taking a few extra seconds to get to the quest he booted me from team. Yea... I remember that person, someone who thinks they are an elitist... ask me in game and I will tell you who that is.... ahhaa
Anyways... just don't forget the first time you fell off your bike... I hope for your sake the person leading you that day didn't laugh at you and make you feel bad.
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I'm new to this game. I have played a few mmos and i can say from my experience this is the most helpful and respectful group of players as a whole I have experienced. I had ran into a few rude people but its not hard to ignore them and make a mental note to just pay no attention to them.
sometimes what you type and how it sounds is totally dependent on the person 'listening' to the tell. Also, when in mortal combat I tend to be a bit 'quick and terse in replies'. Perhaps he wrote something and you 'felt' he had a meaner meaning to it...or you caught him in the middle of a big fight...or maybe he was stoned?
just take a breather, let it go, and contimue playing'
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Well lett me address a couple things:
I always give the benfit of the doubt and I am smart enough to know when I'm being talked down to.
I think there is also a misconception on who should be thick skinned. If someone dishes it out then by all means fling it back. Thick skin should not be implied. That person you feel needs to talked to or requires you to address them may be having a bad experience. The last 5 guys that talked to him might have been real "Richards". Think about that when you're having a bad day.
I am by no means elitist but I have grouped with new players that are either extremly annoying (i.e. question after question in a screeching voice) or are detrimental to the groups ability to finish the quest and enjoy the ride.
I leave you all with my greatest memory of this game I love. I was doind a PoP run (of course) and had grouped with an individual who had a thick southern drawl and used it about every 6-8 seconds. He was extremely bossy and ordered a group of 14th level characters around like we were newbs. After a bit I found him actually to be pretty comical and the group began to take shots (verbal jabs if you will) at him after every numb skull thing he'd say. By the end we had defeated "Chatahoochie" the warforged and he insisted on grabbing the docent. I grabbed it prior to him and he died. It wasn't a big deal but I laughed probably for 8 minutes after that. I don't dislike the guy and I would group with him again in a heartbeat, but the doggone thing was fun and funny. It may have been because I was without sleep for about 18 hours straight.
Either way its always fun and sometimes when you start what feels like a painfilled quest, Instant d'Karma chimes and causes you to actually enjoy yourself.
Nice! Ya sometimes you have to get a little revenge where you can get it. There are certainly folks I don't like to play with. Generaly I'll finish out a quest with them and then avoid them thereafter. It's often not worth the drama to confront them directly unless they really force the issue.
The hardest for me are the little kids that can just be hard to communicate with. You don't want to get mad at them but on the other hand they can really ruin a group if they won't stop talking or just won't pay any attention to what's going on. I feel bad for ditching them after the quest is over but I just can't let someone else make the game un-fun for me to play. A lack of skill is fine, you can help wtih that, but a lack of willingness to adapt to others is a killer you can't do much about.
I roll *alot* of lowbie characters, trying out different concepts (they usually get rerolled when I stumble across something that piques my interest more since I've got a pile of capped and near-capped characters too). In all the time I've spent in the Harbor, I've only had 1 bad PUGer.
I had just rolled up a battle bard and done the goodblade low road and solo quests to get lvl2 (1bard / 1 fighter).
After leveling, I looked and an LFM for waterworks that wanted any class - so I joined them. Being about 2 hours old and totally untwinked, I did stop off and buy as many CLW pots as I could afford (15 or so, I think) on the way to the quest. The party at that point consisted of a barb3, fighter2, 2 rangers and myself (i could be wrong about the levels and such, but you get the drift).
They decided to get started while they waited for a sixth - at which point, I mentioned that I was a battle bard (as if the greatsword wasn't enough of a clue) and didn't have any onboard healing (lvl1 spell was hypno). The decision was to go on ahead and start anyway. By the time we got to the sleeping-kobold room, we hadn't picked up anyone else yet and the fighter was nearly out of red-bar. He told me to 'use the shrine and memorize CLW' so we'd have some healing. I told him that I couldn't do that; he then said 'at least wand heal then.' To which, I mentioned my character's age and lack of twinkage. He then cussed me out in VC, called me 'the worst bard ever', recalled and dropped group.
I thought 'what a prick' and we went ahead and finished the quest with 4. one of the others had to leave after we finished WW1, so the group disbanded, and I went ahead and solo'ed WW2 (using the minimalist approach) - at some point, I noticed that I had new mail and just figured it was a plat-seller (since the character name had been around for a looong time). After finishing out, I discovered that my friend the fighter had sent me a single copper piece with a note saying that I had won the 'worst bard of the year' award and enclosed were my winnings. I returned the mail to him with his copper piece and something semi-witty in response and promptly forgot all about him (don't even remember his name anymore).
I've met a few folks like him ingame and it really doesn't bother me all that much that there are jerks out there - but imagine the impression this display might have made to a brand-new player about our community.
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Yeah Binnsr, I try to avoid people like that if at all possible...they really chap my hide. If I'm running lowbie quests and someone seems like they may not have a clue, I'll try to politely suggest or hint at things that might help out, but I just can't handle the type of person that has to impose their will on others. They are the only folks on my short DNG list, well, them and the Ranger excluders! Grrr...
Ringos-JohnDenver-Lillis-Dacta-Erahn-CPants-Jhain : Silver Waffle
"You assume that Clay is an ass because he's Legion..." Shyver
Ah, another of those esteemed souls who believes that healing is the sole realm of classes that have healing spells, rather than trying to be a bit self sufficient, i would suppose that he believed that all a fighters contribution to a quest is, is to bring a sword.
I was in a situation once with my cleric, joined the group and every second some clown was asking for a remove curse or remove disease or lesser restore or something. In the end i just said "well they have potions for that". The response i got for that was "thats what a cleric is for". I may be a little wrong about everything but a cleric doesnt always join a group just to stand around and heal everyones ailments, (one we cant heal is stupidity, no spell for that yet). For mine, if you were soloing a quest, you wouldnt have a cleric with you to help you out, so who would do your curse removals etc then. A quest is no different, if you help a cleric out along the way, it greatly increases your odds of finding one the next time you need one for a quest you are doing. Thats just my personal views anyways. All 9 of my toons are self sufficient and dont rely on a cleric for anything, unless its to bring me back upright when im incapped.
But never ceases to amaze me the amount of players i come across that will spend the family budget on that well crafted +5 Full Plate, +5 Greatsword and other assorted +5 gear that they cant use till they hit lvl 8, they were lvl 4 at the time, but they cant seem to be able to afford a solitary cure light wounds potion.
Lol! Yeah, he's the sheet, but some folks would be quick to point out that he's not 'all' Ranger...so there goes using him as an example. I guess others have to help bring our reputations up in the eyes of the adventuring world. Just because we kill quickly, heal and remove an ocassional disease doesn't mean squat I guess!
As a side note, I wonder how the all-Ranger DQ raid went?
/highjack off
Ringos-JohnDenver-Lillis-Dacta-Erahn-CPants-Jhain : Silver Waffle
"You assume that Clay is an ass because he's Legion..." Shyver
I took my ranger into the PvP arena once just for spits and giggles, when there were a few Ironwolf people in there. It was just to see what would happen when I started using a paralyzing bow... well, how could I resist hitting a couple of them with a few wounding puncturing arrows? Shortly after this began, I found myself lining up 6 or more of them pesky wolf critters in a row of glowy green auras, and giggling maniacally as the w/p whittled them down. Before I knew it there were wolves everywhere, and Solonora was outmatched. I love rangers.
xX-----==<<<Yes, I roleplay. Get over it.>>>==-----XxOriginally Posted by Beol
I know what you mean about the "Elitist Attitude" and I feel the same way as everyone else does, I've been playing since release and have experienced it since then. So what I'm trying to start here on thelanis is a guild for newbies to teach them the game and to get more accustomed to the mechanics, so that noobs don't feel alienated by the more veteran or advanced players. In general I'm trying to do my small part to make Thelanis one of the most enjoyable servers in the game for everyone noobs and vets alike.
Ahhh, no wonder I suck at PVP against those guys. Improved Wild Empathy never actually worked, I just assumed it should!
Shows how closely I read at times...I was hoppin' back and forth between the game and the boards, so don't think I'm totally stupid! I won't edit my original post to keep myself further humbled...
Ringos-JohnDenver-Lillis-Dacta-Erahn-CPants-Jhain : Silver Waffle
"You assume that Clay is an ass because he's Legion..." Shyver
doing a co6 run with a level 5 rogue got to the next to last part and could not see the boxes for traps our healer and tank dropped even tho i asked to get some items for boosting my int so we reformed grp and i got a foxs cunning wand and hero potion and with a bard in the grp i was able to disarm the level 10 quest boxes and we finished the quest so patience sometimes does win out if u listen and work together
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Stewy you are right... but did you happen to notice the date of the previous post?
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