Terrible new trend

[Rayzorlew]

Remember, there's no crying in DDO.

Liar, remember that idiot in crucible.....the one whos stone we dropped in the water, or that cleric in Necro.
Then there was the Warforge wiz in the dessert, lol, now that was funny.
Hell, I got a tell crying about you just the other day....DOH!

[Uamhas]

But Womp, you made me cry. I told you it was too big.

[Rayzorlew]

But Womp, you made me cry. I told you it was too big.

Lol........tears of joy don't count seacrane.

[Mapa]

What set Xoriat apart was the fact that if you didn't know what was going on, you asked someone to explain. You were expected to have thick skin and be able to take it. Now I have seen a few examples of people being called to account for stupid mistakes in the last few months and not all of the yelling or rudeness was coming from Xorians. It came from people who were tired and frustrated. Now my favorite was from Renn. We wiped in, I believe, the 3rd or 4th run of 6 Reaver Marathon because people were sloppy. We needed a swift kick in the pants and he delivered it in ear splitting make you feel like a kindergardener detail. No blood, no foul. On the other hand some guildies and I wanted to take some level 8 - 10 characters to do the Wiz King and PUGed the last 2 slots. We were about half way through and I was ready to unleash on the PUG Sorc when one of my guildies told me in guild chat to go get a drink. By the time I got back he had discovered that the 2 PUGs that we had picked up were a father, who was a casual player and a more into the game 12 year son who had never done the quest and were afraid to say anything because we seemed to know what we were doing and the son "recognized" Xoriat in our guild name and thought he knew what it stood for. After this revelation, we slowed down, explained what and why, and everyone had a really good time. Am I a jerk because I almost yelled at a 12 year old for ticking me off in a video game? I don't think so but I am glad someone saw it coming and stopped me.

[captain1z]

Most people....about 90% of the ones I meet in-game are very kind and helpful to everyone. thats my experience and its all I really have to say on the matter.

[Ringos]

Hats off for stepping back in that situation Mapa. I must admit that it's kinda cool that Xoriat in a guild name 'warns' folks of what to expect. Not much butterfly dust sprinkled around when the buffs are gettin' passed out!

[Generals]

Xoriat born, Xoriat bred!!! POW on Thelanis ("Nice" cell though) :Shudder:

Mapa, what could liberate you from being a POW? Is there any hope?



From my experience, the Thelanis player base rox. It's a unique mix of young, old, male, female, brothers, sisters, mom's, dad's (etc. etc.), friends, lovers () and haters, newbies, old timers and all types in between. It's been a wild ride in this neck of the woods as well. The Xorian's have been, for the most part imo, honorable, proud, talented and reasonable players. There are a few nuts but nobody's perfect I guess. As a whole I'd say we benefit from the new player base changes. Look forward to more.

[Rayzorlew]

From my experience, the Thelanis player base rox. It's a unique mix of young, old, male, female, brothers, sisters, mom's, dad's (etc. etc.), friends, lovers () and haters, newbies, old timers and all types in between. It's been a wild ride in this neck of the woods as well. The Xorian's have been, for the most part imo, honorable, proud, talented and reasonable players. There are a few nuts but nobody's perfect I guess. As a whole I'd say we benefit from the new player base changes. Look forward to more.

In all honesty your right.
Thelanis in my opinion is filled with great people, we've guilded quite a few actually.
...and from what I've seen these particular "Thelonians" have no problem setting a group straight when need be.
I do however think Xorians are a little more agressive, or abrassive, and all around less patient.
Yet, I still think it comes down to the newb, and as long as they listen and pay attention they'll be fine.
I personally haven't played with anyone who is mean to puggers for absolutely no reason.
The way I see it is, most of us probably don't have enough free time as it is so when we get some, and decide to play DDO we try to make the best of it.
Then when someone ruins that precious free time well......they get what they deserve.

Mapa, I think the way you handled yourself was perfect.
When someone tells me they're new I slow it down and try to be helpfull, and how nice I am is totally up to them and how well they listen.

[seldarin]

End of the day you have many different types of players. You have good players, bad players, good people, bad people. A good player isnt always a good person, same as a bad player isnt always a bad person. Additionally sometimes you get people on a bad day. I have been playing since march 2006 and have come across all kinds of people/players. The good ones are those that if they know what they are doing, will help those that dont rather than disparage them, or if they dont know what they are doing, will listen to those that do. I have come across many new players that dont know what they are doing, but hey, we were all new once and even though you may have played DND for 20 years, DDO is something different in many aspects.

If you come across a player that is genuinely an ass towards everyone, easy solution, dont group with them again. That is the great thing about a friends list, either use it for those u like grouping with, or those that you dont, easy way to keep track.

I can understand your angst about perceived elite players, been on the receiving end of it myself.

Example: I was on an all guild raid, back when i was in a guild large enough to run them. I was playing my rogue for the first time on the Dragon Raid. I was doing the dragging mobs back to home base deal, back when you could. I wasnt doing a good job of it because i didnt know what i was doing and no one explained it to me. After making a slight mess of it to begin with, rather than explain it, another party member (guildie) and he was an officer in the guild, said "Out of the way, i will do it, i KNOW what im doing". Did he explain it, did he tell me what needed doing and let me do it, nope, not on your life. Guild Leader was on the raid too, did anything get said to him, not a word. Elitist play, definitely, bad enough in general, but to your own guildies and being you are an officer, somewhat unforgiveable.

End of the day, i made a decision, that if he was along, i just wouldnt group with him, that is how i handle elitist players. Was he better than me, NO, more experienced at that aspect, YES, better at helping people, not in a blind fit.

The game is all about enjoyment, sometimes it gets interfered with, sometimes it doesnt. There are certain people around that think they are the bees knees because they have all the great gear. I for one believe that the essence of a good player/person is one that can do things without needing to rely on the special toys, having all the toys doesnt make you better, just means you spend more time gaming than others

You get it everywhere in life, not just in the game, just ignore them, they eventually will get sick of themselves or just group with other Elitists.

[MistressofDeath]

I understand that they (Elitist) have worked hard to get where they are, but like Truggard stated, we are here just to enjoy the game. I too, have been a member of major and minor guilds, but always have the most fun with those who are not afraid to try (and if we die...then so be it). These types of parties always have the most fun!

My current guild always tries to welcome newbs to the game, and we take them along with us (explaining the chance of death). But, in the end they always tell us they had a great time, and they thank us for showing them the world of Stormreach.

I am with you, Truggard.

[ace_mason]

The problem is not with the "elitist" it is with the people who think they are elite. An elite player will not complain that the party is wiping over and over again. An elite player is a player that can bring a group that is otherwise not that good to become a group that can zerg throgh quest with very little difficulty. Read this very carefull all you Elite players out there. If you are frustrated becuase you are wasting to many resources or the quest is taking to long then you ARE NOT ELITE!If your party wipes you ARE NOT ELITE! There are very few people that I would put in the group of elite players. I can think of 3 people that I have grouped with that would make this list and I know most of the people on our server through one of there alts. I consider myself to be a very good player and pride myself on being prepared for every situation. I have every item in the game have 7 capped toons and I have soloed every quest that is soloable. And i still do not put myself on the same page as that small handfull of people that are elite. I am little off topic, but I feel that all you "elite" players need to have a reality check and relize that although you may be good you ARE NOT ELITE! So when you ar getting ****ed because you pug group isnt doing as well as it should take solace in the fact that there are people who make your lvl 14 capped toon with your dual weilding w/p rapiers or 2200 sp look like a lvl 1 toon wearing starter armor.

[Quanefel]

I think people also need to take into account is the fact that when experienced players act all "elitist" to the newer players, it will cause some to leave the game. Do we really need more people dropping from the game because of these "elitist" attitudes?

[Mapa]

Mapa, what could liberate you from being a POW? Is there any hope?



From my experience, the Thelanis player base rox. It's a unique mix of young, old, male, female, brothers, sisters, mom's, dad's (etc. etc.), friends, lovers () and haters, newbies, old timers and all types in between. It's been a wild ride in this neck of the woods as well. The Xorian's have been, for the most part imo, honorable, proud, talented and reasonable players. There are a few nuts but nobody's perfect I guess. As a whole I'd say we benefit from the new player base changes. Look forward to more.

That sig was triggered by a specific event and is getting more tongue in cheek every day. I like it here and I believe that the people that survived the merger are stronger because of it. And I can assure you that if a certain player returns I will change it. I will also quit assuming that any lowbee in the Harbor is a alt of someone that knows what they are doing.

[Renegade66]

I love helping newbs. However, I lose my patience when they don't listen and blindly run ahead even though it's their first time.

Ace, you qualify as "elite" in my book and my list is pretty damned short too.

[Ringos]

The problem is not with the "elitist" it is with the people who think they are elite. An elite player will not complain that the party is wiping over and over again. An elite player is a player that can bring a group that is otherwise not that good to become a group that can zerg throgh quest with very little difficulty. Read this very carefull all you Elite players out there. If you are frustrated becuase you are wasting to many resources or the quest is taking to long then you ARE NOT ELITE!If your party wipes you ARE NOT ELITE! There are very few people that I would put in the group of elite players. I can think of 3 people that I have grouped with that would make this list and I know most of the people on our server through one of there alts. I consider myself to be a very good player and pride myself on being prepared for every situation. I have every item in the game have 7 capped toons and I have soloed every quest that is soloable. And i still do not put myself on the same page as that small handfull of people that are elite. I am little off topic, but I feel that all you "elite" players need to have a reality check and relize that although you may be good you ARE NOT ELITE! So when you ar getting ****ed because you pug group isnt doing as well as it should take solace in the fact that there are people who make your lvl 14 capped toon with your dual weilding w/p rapiers or 2200 sp look like a lvl 1 toon wearing starter armor.

I never looked at it that way before. Good points.

[Ringos]

I love helping newbs. However, I lose my patience when they don't listen and blindly run ahead even though it's their first time.

Ace, you qualify as "elite" in my book and my list is pretty damned short too.

The zergin' lowbies are really the thing that get my goat in this game. If I am going to solo a quest with a lower alt, sometimes I'll throw out an LFM stating newer folks are welcome. I ask everyone to wait outside the quest for everyone else before starting, but there are usually a couple that pop in and start up without the group. That drives me nuts because the main reason I through out the group was so that newer folks could run the whole quest with the group and pick up some tips along the way.

BTW, although I live in Iowa, I do not actually own a goat. Just an FYI...

[Uamhas]

By no stretch of the imagination could I be considered elite, and I'm ok with this. I have fun in this game. Sometimes I answer the LFM that says "We need help! We're new!" by offering my experience. I try to answer every general tell I find that asks for information about something having to do with gameplay. However, I DO get frustrated and a little short when dealing with chronic stupidity, and there are some days when I just want to surround myself with competence (those are the days when I'll put something like "no babysitting" or "be self-sufficient" in my LFM). I pug alot. I meet alot of new people. I make alot of new friends. So far, I've only had to squelch one person, and that was just.... well, I don't want to talk about it. I use my friends' list for those people that stand out, and sometimes that's not a good thing. There's this one cleric that has a note and a date that makes sure I don't quest with him ever again.
*sigh*
I miss Havanti. He was an elite s.o.b. but I liked him.
/ramble off

[Shamguard]

BTW, although I live in Iowa, I do not actually own a goat. Just an FYI...

I though everyone in Iowa had a goat to feed the corn cobs to. Oh wait that's pigs sorry.

"I'm from Iowa, I only work in outerspace." J. Kirk

[Renegade66]

I miss Havanti. He was an elite s.o.b. but I liked him.
/ramble off

Havanti's back. He has his first toon up to level 14.

[Clay]

The problem is ... you ARE NOT ELITE! If your party wipes you ARE NOT ELITE! ... you ARE NOT ELITE! So ... there ... .

I SAID I WAS SORRY!!!

(How come everyone's always pickin on me?)

/sniffle