HDJF2YOOD - its a Halfling thing

[captain1z]

This -----------> http://www.d20srd.org/srd/races.htm#halfOrcs


says Halflings favored class is rogue
- but halflings get no racial enhancements that support search/spot/ or thieving in general


Drow and elves get all of that ...they make great rogues/wizards/rangers - but are only favored as wizards

Dwarves are favored as fighters........toughness and Armor mastery and Combat tactics support this

Half - Orcs are supposed to be favored as Barbarians - Im sure they will have enhancements to support this


Halflings can be healers like everyone else or can put tatoos on their faces to make them better healers at the cost of AP's which would make them worse healers unless they become fighters - but halflings are small and weak and do not make great fighters


What is the point of a halfling if not to sneak in and steal stuff? Is this just an Eberron thing? Or did halflings get the shaft?


Can halflings get an enhancement line that increases spot/search/open locks/Disable Device/ hide & move silently so they can be useful again?


I once made a halfling rogue and deleted him because Drow are better.
I once made a halfling fighter but deleted him because he was to weak.
I would have made a halfling wizard Illusionist/enchanter but drow have higher Int.
I would make a halfling barbarian but the dwarven barbarians would laugh at me and I would die from lack of HP if they laugh too hard.
I would make a halfling Paladin but a Drow or Human is better.
I would make a happy Halfling Sorceror/Bard but the Drow are much happier.
Ranger!!! Yes a ranger........Halflings can throw stuff and run away....... just like Ewoks.



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[Vormaerin]

Favored Class is irrelevant in DDO, so that's why you don't see any benefit for halflings having that as a favored class. They don't have any of those benefits in p&p either. The fact of being favored class: rogue only matters if they are multiclassing. Otherwise, their only rogue type advantage is that they are a +Dex race.

Halfling racial attributes are all about being lucky and hard to scare. They get bonuses to Climb, Jump, Listen, and Move Silently which are all rogue type skills. Just not the ones that rogues in DDO are especially concerned about.

The elves get enhancement lines to those "rogue" skills because they got those skill bonuses in p&p. Their race trait of Favored Class: Wizard is irrelevant to that.

[QuantumFX]

Favored Class is irrelevant in DDO, so that's why you don't see any benefit for halflings having that as a favored class.

That's a choice that the developers made that the OP would like to see addressed. This could be easily solved by allowing 1 level of a race's favored class to unlock all the enhancements for that class. (Except for monk and paladin to reflect the focus of those 2 classes.) Dwarves already have the equivilant of this. Why not the same for the other races? (Note: Humans/half-elf favored class would be the class that they have the most levels in/took first.)

[Dimz]

If anything Halflings are overpowered. They make great tanks. Enhancements for all saves costing little APs, enhancements for flanking bonuses. They have the most overpowered Dragonmark. Fullheals with 3 feats. If your almost a pure fighter you can afford the 3 feats.

[Geonis]

If anything Halflings are overpowered. They make great tanks. Enhancements for all saves costing little APs, enhancements for flanking bonuses. They have the most overpowered Dragonmark. Fullheals with 3 feats. If your almost a pure fighter you can afford the 3 feats.

As opposed to Dwarves, that get Toughness enhancement, Armor Mastery and Agility, Spell Save Bonuses (affecting all 3 saves for the cost of 1 save as a Halfling), Axe Attack (affecting 4 [good]weapons), Search bonuses, and Giant/Goblin bonuses.

Your above statement is laughable at best.

[Dimz]

As opposed to Dwarves, that get Toughness enhancement, Armor Mastery and Agility, Spell Save Bonuses (affecting all 3 saves for the cost of 1 save as a Halfling), Axe Attack (affecting 4 [good]weapons), Search bonuses, and Giant/Goblin bonuses.

Your above statement is laughable at best.

My first halfling is a 28 point build. With a standing 59 AC SELF Buffed. Halfling not only have size ac bonus but they are fast like buggers. I welcome anyone to challenge my halfling in PVP. Because it has had every races blood on its face and its only a "gimpy" 28 point build. Lastly, can dwarves throw down 140+ heals with a simple hotkey... Sure if they are clerics. AC and HP mean nothing end game if you can't recover your HP quickly. Sure you can be the 600 HP barbarian with 30-ish AC in Gianthold Elite Quests... O **** your down to almost no hitpoints... better chug some pots.. Oh NO! The evil elite troll hit you from behind your dead! My halfling can hit for over 200 points on a heal. Who cares if I have 260 HP. I can heal almost all of it 5 times easy with one button. My ac being 59 is still not as high as it could be missing items and plus a +2/+3 dex tome. I could get a possible 65ish AC later on when I get all my gear etc. Remember all Clerics are not always your personal healbots. Maybe you should be more resourceful. My AC is just as good as any other dwarf. And even if your AC is higher then mine with higher dex, then obviously you do not have as much DPS due to lower str to compensate for more AC or other things.

[CSFurious]

i think there are some good arguments for them as fighters

they are not tanks, i think tanks should have more hitpoints

however, i think that dwarves being healed by a dm'ed halfling cleric makes the most sense for melee combat in a party

[Dimz]

i think there are some good arguments for them as fighters

they are not tanks, i think tanks should have more hitpoints

however, i think that dwarves being healed by a dm'ed halfling cleric makes the most sense for melee combat in a party

Haha once again, you are looking at them the wrong way. It also depends on the player. Many would agree that in Dragonmarks Halflings are overpowered. I have seen Dragonmark spec'd Halflings with all the feats and everything needed to boost their DMs. They could easily hit their DM heals for over 500 HP. You obviously haven't seen halflings tank then. Mine gets pretty nasty in the kill count and in DPS. It doesn't matter how high your HP is if your not getting hit. Even if I am getting hit I can fully heal myself in one click/button. BTW, Khopesh is the best weapon and is definetly with the feat, it has the best DPS for a one hander and probally the best weapon choice for any fighter. Who gives a **** about axes, fighters are not barbarians if you want to dual wield be a barb. Fighter can not reach the potential as a good barbarian can in DPS, it is just not possible. I have never seen a fighter hit for over 200 points of damage. Fighters are all about being a tank, high ac, high/decent HP, decent/kinda high DPS.

[Arianrhod]

"Favored class" is a P&P thing that doesn't apply to DDO, as mentioned above. It just means that characters of that race don't get exp penalties for multiclassing with their favored class (normally in P&P if a character has classes more than one level apart, such as a ranger6/rogue2, they take a 10% penalty on all exp received until the classes are within one level of each other....UNLESS one of those is a favored class - so if that ranger6/rogue2 were a halfling, it wouldn't get the penalty).

[Dimz]

"Favored class" is a P&P thing that doesn't apply to DDO, as mentioned above. It just means that characters of that race don't get exp penalties for multiclassing with their favored class (normally in P&P if a character has classes more than one level apart, such as a ranger6/rogue2, they take a 10% penalty on all exp received until the classes are within one level of each other....UNLESS one of those is a favored class - so if that ranger6/rogue2 were a halfling, it wouldn't get the penalty).

Amen to that, and we all know PNP is VERY different then DDO.

[Heladron]

The only problem with halflings is tripping over them while running to the chest.

They make great pillows at the rest shrine. You can get more hitpoints back if you have a comfy pillow. It's a little known secret that Halflings bump your heal skill by +10 when being used as a pillow. They don't need anymore enhancements they great the way they are.

[Dimz]

The only problem with halflings is tripping over them while running to the chest.

They make great pillows at the rest shrine. You can get more hitpoints back if you have a comfy pillow. It's a little known secret that Halflings bump your heal skill by +10 when being used as a pillow. They don't need anymore enhancements they great the way they are.

I have never seen a pillow with a Kukri of Smiting!

[Heladron]

Is that a Kukri under my pillow or is it just happy to see me.

LOL - It's just so fun teasing halflings because they get so cute when they're angry. Just like the OompaLoompas.

[Dimz]

Is that a Kukri under my pillow or is it just happy to see me.

LOL - It's just so fun teasing halflings because they get so cute when they're angry. Just like the OompaLoompas.

/hides dead Oompa Loompa.

Ehh... Lets not mention them.

[Mad_Bombardier]

Halflings all get the feat, Monkey Grip (since there are no small size weapons in DDO). Additionally, there is no movement penalty for Halfers. Pretty spiffy benefits.

(But yes, Dwarven Barbarians will still laugh at you. How can we not? When you rage, it sounds like someone stepped on a chipmunk! )

[Emili]

To state that all halflings should be tanks... is to state they're a one trick pony. If that's all they're good for then the halfling race is no longer needed - remove it. Unless you can make a average to good character of any class out of any race... then that race is less than par.Stating that all fighters show be tanks... is as bad as saying all arcane wizards should be buff bits or all rogues should be trap monkeys... the idea behind a class is not about one function at all. This is why there are feats in DnD so classes are more flexible and serve to create any build...

[Emili]

Halflings all get the feat, Monkey Grip (since there are no small size weapons in DDO). Additionally, there is no movement penalty for Halfers. Pretty spiffy benefits.

(But yes, Dwarven Barbarians will still laugh at you. How can we not? When you rage, it sounds like someone stepped on a chipmunk! )

Nor is there a movement penalty for dwarf who's movement should be 20' also - albeit in heavy armour they gain no penalty so move at the same speed as a human who is also wearing heavy armour. Human or elf in light is 30' or 20' in medium or heavy armour... while a dwarf is 20' no matter what.

[Impaqt]

As long as you feel there is only One optimum race and build per class, you'll feel halflings are inferior.

You dont need any Racial Enhancments to be a good Rogue

2 Points of Str is completely nullified by the fact that halflings get a +1 racial To hit and AC. No race has an advantage for STR Based To Hit.

2 Points of INT translates to about 12 or so spell points one one DC on your spells.... Take a Focus.

No one in this games knows your build unless you tell them. If your a good player, you can get away with a 12-14 Startign str on any Melee character and be quite effective.

No One is holding your halflings back except you.

[Laith]

Favored Class is irrelevant in DDO, so that's why you don't see any benefit for halflings having that as a favored class. They don't have any of those benefits in p&p either.

Elven Arcanum: +SP for being Wizard.
Dwarves get almost half (the good half) of the fighter enhancement list.

I guess favored class is completely irrelevant

Of course, the halfer's enhancement list isn't too shabby, and i don't see why they'd need "rogue enhancements" on top of what they have.

[Twerpp]

I wouldnt say halflings are either overpowered or underpowered. They are just not as easy to build as say, a dwarf. A dwarf melee you just cant mess up, a drow caster is hard to mess up. A good halfling melee you need to do your homework you can either have a great success or utter failure. I think the same goes for the other classes you could choose with a halfling. I do agree that some of their enhancements are lame, and they do need some attention there. Nothing game-breaking but this is what I think.

Halfling Luck should be back for all saves at a 2,4,6, progression. Thats a little bit cheaper than it is now for all 3 saves it would cost 3,6,9.

There are like 2 people out there seriously using and building for throwers. The throwing mechanics suck, they never drop, and if they do drop its very rare to get anything at all useful. I dont see a Raid Throwing Weapon coming soon and if it did, it wouldnt help. Dump throwers, give halflings something like short swords, kukris, light picks (though I think those should be for gnomes but they will never show up in DDO anyway). The other option is fixing throwing mechanic. The magic throwing weapon returns to your hand, not your backpack, so why do you have to pull it from your back again for every throw??? It should be a rapid fire throwing only animation, it will give more attacks at least.

Fix halfling companion. It's ok if you need close range to cast it but let the other guy run around freely for the 20 seconds after. Whatever the bonus is needs to be made clear so we know what stacks with what and are we wasting our time. It should be a profane bonus that stacks with anything. Its only a 20 second boost and not even to yourself.