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    So...I'm new to end-game building, and need some advice:

    Trying to work up a Warforged Barbarian/Ranger TWF, dual weilding heavy picks (or dual Kopeshes with new Oversized TWF feat) for SICK DPS potential...

    (Yes, I know barbie THF greataxes is superior, but I already *have* a dorf THF greataxe build, and want to try something different)

    But I ran into a problem in the character planner: was trying a build with only 4 levels of Ranger (for Ram's Might spell), which obviously doesn't grant Improved TWF except as a level feat selection. But when got to level 6 feats, it would not let me select Improved TWF as my level 6 feat... Is this b/c the 2nd level Ranger feat "Two Weapon Fighting" does not count as a feat prereq for any other feats? (Thus can't take ITWF unless you have taken the actual feat TWF as a level feat?)

    If true, this blows this whole build idea...but wondering how all the TWF Rangers are planning on picking up Superior Two Weapon Fighting in new Mod? Won't their "virtual TWF feats" granted by Ranger levels NOT counts as the required prereqs for STWF?

    Don't have a high level Ranger yet, and my DDO game manual only goes up to lvl 10, so don't know: do rangers get Greater TWF as part of Ranger level feats at higher levels, or no?

    The idea of this build is to have a Warforged Ranger 4/Barbarian 16 at level 20, Superior TWF dual deathnips (or whatever Kewl Raid Weapon is available at that time), using Critical Rage II and Ram's Might to max crit range and stacking STR bonuses, etc etc. This would be the first time I am looking to "the end cap" of level 20 on a build, but don't want to start it until I am sure how it will all work out. Was the character planner in error, or is it just not possible for this build to achieve Superior Two Weapon Fighting this way?

    Any advice from you professional builders would be appreciated, thanks!
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    Do you have 17 base dexterity? That seems like the most likely reason it won't show up.

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    yeah its probably your dex. dont forget you need 19 (base + tomes only) for the rest of them
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    No, started it (have trouble calling a toaster "he" or "she" ) with DEX 15:

    Base 15
    +1 Ranger enhancement
    +1 one level stat increase used (since we will eventually get *5* level stat increases thru lvl 20, STR started even at 18 so will have an "extra" level stat increase to throw around...building for LEVEL 20 eh?)
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    So...at level 6 it has a DEX of 17. (and can hit 19 with just a +2 tome)

    Are you saying class stat enhancements DON'T count as "base stat" increases for prereq purposes? That doesn't make sense.
    (or is this valid in the game, but the character planner just doesn't recognize it...?)

    Anyone know for sure? Don't really want to level this character up anymore if I am just gonna hafta reroll soon anyway.

    But HEY! This is my first toaster! It's been a blast pulling all those docents and trying them on...heh... "Do I apply the muave coating today, since I'm going shopping in the market, or will it clash with my lime green base coat? Decisions, decisions."
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    Yes, for sure, the ONLY things that count as prereqs for feats are initial stat points, points for level ups at 4,8,12,16,20, and tomes. Enhancements and gear do not count as they can be swapped out or changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetype View Post

    Are you saying class stat enhancements DON'T count as "base stat" increases for prereq purposes? That doesn't make sense.
    (or is this valid in the game, but the character planner just doesn't recognize it...?)
    Thats exactly what we are saying. It doesnt make sense, but thats how the game is coded. The devs have reduced the Requirements a little to make up for this discrepency from PnP, but its still not right. They just dont have a Way to Track Current Stavs Vs. Feat Requirements. In PnP, if I lost my +3 Dex Item and my Dex dropped below the Requirements, I'd lose my extra attack, but I'd still have the feat. DDO Doesnt work that way unfortunatly.
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    Edit: Doesn't really fit in here
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    The Op isnt builing a Pure ranger. abd as of mod 6 rangers will not get Superior TWF for Free... Probobly via an Enhancement in Mod 7.....
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    Thanks for all the feedback guys...

    Yah, I didn't consider that you can "swap out" Class stat enhancements freely, so it makes perfect sense in DDO why those stat bumps don't count for prereqs. Sad, but understandable. My bad for not considering all the variable in the equation.

    So...reroll time! (Hello, Mr Goodblades...AGAIN!)

    I will probably abandon my "Warforged TWF Barbarian" build idea, and just reroll him as a tried-and-true THF Greataxe Barbie build, just to have someone to mail all the docents I pull to....heh

    But I suddenly realize that I can respect my Halfling Ranger2/Rogue8 into a new Ranger6/Rogue10 path build, switching out feats for the Tempest Ranger specialization, since he already has a 30 Dex at 10th level, Weapon Finesse, still gets Improved Evasion, and has a sweet collection of stat-damaging rapiers and short swords. Hmmm....what to name the build tho....ah, I know:
    The Frodo-Cuisinart Tempest Ranger. Yah, that's the ticket.
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