Clerics Guild

[RunsFree]

I WISH I had some zerging kill counting tanks to level with. I leveled my cleric from 1-9 this week and the only thing people are rolling now is bards and rangers (**** you mod 6!) who cant kill for ****. The quest takes longer the kills take longer and I use more mana, wands, scrolls. Somebody out there pick up a freakin greataxe and gimme a hand I will gladly heal you for free!!!!

As a Lvl 10 Fighter that has spent more time going backwards in XP over the last couple of weeks I must throw my gauntlet down! I wait and wait and wait to run my quests because I am smart enough to know I will need a cleric to allow my whole party to survive and no clerics want to join me. Whatever dastardly deed it is I have chosen to partake upon would certainly do me in many times if I did not drag along a competent cleric.

I am always hoping that as the fighter I can protect my cleric well enough to allow him to sustaine me long enough to finish the adventure. It is afterall just that, an adventure. My problem has been that no matter which cleric I seem to luck out and convince to come along, I have found myself dying way more frequently than necessary.

I am aware of the need for, and willing to give the cleric his due and his recognition.

Quit the whining. Tell your party when you first begin that you want wands or something. We all know how expensive they are. If we want to bring you along in hopes of completing a quest, we will be more than willing to supply you with what you need. If I offer it to you then take it (half the time when I offer I get told no thanks to wands, etc.). If you aren't there then I am not finishing the quests.

The next time you are online though, I fully expect you will speak your mind to get what you want. I also expect that this time when I ask you to join my party the answer will be YES!

[Cowdenicus]

don't thank me, fleshling. My god despises you, and I despise you. Thank fate that I consider you more useful to me whole than broken.

For now

[Ghoste]

For now

Exactly, that's what the rest of the bio explains.

[RunsFree]

I never asked for the buffs! I always offer to heal myself with my own pots. I always ask if you need something before we get into the quest so I have made sure we have enough to get through alive and without completely depleting your reserves.

I stay up front and kill, kill, kill, while you stay in back and say oops! when you weren't paying enough attention to make sure I didn't get wiped out by that thing it is you could not fight if you wanted to.

I always do my part and I always give the others whatever it is they need, however you rarely want to go on a quest with me. Forget the fact that the game generates you the equivalent treasures as the rest of us.

If I forget to do my part of the job then nobody gets what they want. If you forget to do yours?!

Wait! You aren't there anyway. You are too busy complaining to the forums about not getting your share to waste your time aiding me in advancing a quest and getting your share. If you can't quit your complaining and do your share of the work like the rest of us then I say go form your guild.

The rest of us will invite Paladins and or Bards to get the job done. That might take longer, but we will eventually get the job done and reap our rewards.

You and your guild members can go through quests on your own, because I sure as heck am not about to PAY you. Lets us see how far you get without anyone but other clerics to run raids!

PinteMon (lvl 10 Fighter) wishes everyone would make nice, cooperate with one another, run quests like nobodys business and please don't forget that there are those who have not played for long that could certainly use your help.

[randy7782]

All we are asking for is compensation for the wands and scrolls we go through. We dont expect to get rich off this. I understand that there are a lot of toons out there that compensate their clerics, and for them. THANK YOU. BUT, far too often a cleric goes into a bad pug goes through WAY too many scrolls and or wands and gets nothing out of it but their share of the loot which doesnt even come close to the restocking price. We dont plan on running quests with each other (only clerics) we are just trying to make clerics available for whatever quest you are running. hence "for hire" You say i want you for this quest, you know how much it will cost, and we oblige and get the party through it, even if it isnt a quest we enjoy. If you have a problem with this, than this thread wasn't meant for you in the first place.

[redraider]

An all Cleric Guild? At first I liked the idea. It's kind of like a union. Hold all those who want our services hostage to paying our price.

We'll need work rules:

1. Pay first play later.
2. Lvl1 Quest - 100pp, Lvl 2 Quest 200pp and a Cure Lt wounds wand, Lvl3 Quest 300pp and 1 Cure Med Wounds Wand, Lvl 14 Quest, 1400pp, 2 Ressurection Scrolls and a Cure Serious Wounds Wand, etc.
3. Clerics get a min of 1 kill per quest
4. No healing on Sundays or after 8pm GMT without double compensation.
5. Guilds that raid without Clerics will get no clerics for any other quest.
6. Cleric get 1st choice of raid loot each and every time.
7. No heavy lifting - Thats what Barbs are for.

OK, now that I really think about this, the idea sucks. Get in a good guild that looks after it's players. If your guildless, that's easy. If your in a zerging guild that doesn't look after its players, it's even easier.

[Oreg]

The only way I would "hire" one of the clerics from this guild is if you agreed to only heal when we say so, so as not to burn through your sp when self healing capable people in our group can do it and not to lay down damage spells unless we ask for it and basically not do anything unless we ask for it so that we can clearly see when you are using sp. After all, we are paying for it right? If it were me as the cleric I would never agree to this as it sounds boring, but then again, I am being "paid" to do what they want. It's not like they invited me to participate, they "hired" me.

Yes, I am being sarcastic but seriously do you advocates feel that even though you are being paid, you can still play the way you want to play? Or should you be forced to utilize a certain playstyle since you are being paid? ie healing only.

And yes, I have a cleric on Ghallanda

[Do'Urden]

My capped cleric ONLY takes time away from his prayers to help out the guild. He rarely has to actually use a Heal scroll or significant wand charges and very rarely has to listen to baseless complaints Know who you're running with...this is the only way I have found to achieve happiness as a cleric. No amount of plat *compensation* can offset the miserable experience of a truly bad PUG.

[Ghoste]

Oh! Just had a question: Would you accept wf sorc repair bots?

[Chingus]

As a cleric that most fernian bloods know, I find this to be a little disturbing, at first glance it is a good idea, but after playing a cleric on this game, NWN1, NWN2 and a healer on many others, and a Cleric via PnP, I find that most clerics suffer due to lack of skill, re-role if you cannot support your party, value a shrine a little bit more, there is so much that you can do to reduce costs! Get a haggle bard! Ask your party for donations, I have never EVER been told no to donations! (although someone might now that I have posted this :P ) Mix in more mana healing (it heals for higher number anyway), wear the right gear, boost that mana bar with power or wizadry items. Why do so many clerics not have devotion items?!?!?! My god I could make this post a book with the problems I see with other clerics. I have seen alot of good ones, I have coached ALOT of noobs on being a cleric, and have been in parties with the worst of healers who dont even pay attention! Black lists, White lists, why??? Learn to heal and you will not need these lists!

Now excuse my rant above, as a long time cleric, this idea sucks, dont spend your hard earned loot on a cleric that does not have a proven past!

[cardmj1]

This sounds like a wonderful idea and I hope it works out well for you. Unfortunately, my cleric is an officer in a guild already. However, my rogue would gladly ante up for a cleric for hire. Please let me know if you expand out to other servers. Lord knows, there are days when I would rather fight it out then heal about.

btw... my cleric has been rented out on more than one occasion or two for new content or especially difficult raids. I did not seek out this job oppty but gladly took it. I was paid (in game gold of course, and no I won't tell you how much) to be the dedicated cleric for a group when Gianthold was released for Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Apparently, word got out and from time to time, I will receive such requests and often under the terms that I would not be allowed to receive raid loot (with what they paid me, this was not an issue). There are people out there who are willing to hire a cleric for a quest, raid, or weekend. Do not let the elitist tell you otherwise! Clerics are hard to come by and when the new mod comes out, it will be even more difficult. Just make sure that when you are hired that you know exactly how they want you to play. Remember, the party is your customer and it is their gold you are spending. If they want you to heal, then heal... if they want you to be a caster and fight, then that is what you do. Don't come back and say that this is how I play because you are not playing anymore; you are now a bought and paid for healer...

[kudesnik]

it's all sounds like a bad joke to me, I have only sorc., however. I use my own pots and wands.
I need cleric healing only in very heavy combat. But that what clerics do:
Heal ( not just that but that is primary role ).
I do killing they do healing. I am not asking for money since I using let say DD scrolls or
GH scrolls or anything else. or Ranger will ask for money in order to get arrows.
On heavy quest I am willing to offer some money to cleric if they asking for it.
But create guild for that ? and "pay first heal later". I am sorry but it's not sounds right.

[hannika]

i think the *idea* of a guild of clerics for hire is kinda nifty.... cuz how many times have i had to wait with an anxious party for an hour stairing at eachother, resulting in having to pester every freaking cleric on the who list offering them plat just to come into von 5 and hit a stupid wisdome rune. and there are a lot of quests (elite queen raids?) where having a cleric or two is really helpful and it'd be much faster than waiting 2 hours for one to happen to sign on, see the lfm, and want to join.

my issue is in your *reasoning* for the guild. o.O in this day of ddo (with the coming of the heal spell way back when) if you're still spending significant money on supplies on a regular basis.... you're doing it wrong.

[Jebise]

Why is this guild just clerics? My bard main heals groups fairly often, has about half of your mana pool (thus requiring more wand charges and heal scrolls) and can only raise dead from a scroll (with a small chance of failure). Should I not be part of this "Healer for hire" guild? If I'm on my bard, do I get a discount because I heal myself? what's my cut when I have to whip out a heal cause your cleric isn't paying enough attention? I'm thinking that I should charge about 70pp per spell point used. What about my spell components? who is going to pay for them when I'm casting holds, dances, glitterdusts, etc. to keep the party from taking any damage? and what is the plat value of one of my songs?

/sarcasm off

seriously, there are better ways to get what you need.

If you can't afford the supplies you need, be up front about it. tell your group "I'm broke right now. Does anyone have a wand, or some raise / heal scrolls I can have for this quest". 9 times out of 10, they're so happy to have a healer, and be able to get moving on their quests, that they'll gladly hand you more than you'll ever use in that quest.

now, if I don't want to heal a group, all I really have to do is say "I'm a battle/cc bard and so I won't be much good at healing" (although it's not true), and they'll either thank me for their time and send me on my way, or they'll let me play the way I want to that day. simple stuff.

Someone also made a great point about gear. Devotion items are a must for anyone that is going to heal... as are wizardry / power items.

and finally, someone else made an excellent point... if I "hire" a healer, your SP belong to me, not you. that means that you're not there to smash crates, swing at monsters, CC, or do damage, unless I say otherwise. too many times have I been on an adventure with multiple healer types, and still died in battle cause they were too busy with doing other things. and if I hired you, I definately expect that you're not walking out with anything from a chest, although you are expected to leave it for me. And, assuming that you're not at the cap already, you had damned well better expect to be booted from the party before the end of the quest. If you get paid to be there, you're not getting paid the exp too.

[randy7782]

ok some very good points the last few days, I think a lot of you have the wrong idea, When it comes to being paid, were not asking to be paid for our time, were asking to be reimbursed for our wand scroll use. and yes if we were hired than the sp belongs to the party, And I dont recall ever saying anything about pay first, although we would reserve the right to charge up front. As far as only clerics goes, my reasoning for this is that a bard, even in their full glory can not match a cleric, if people are paying they deserve the best we can offer, And I feel that most bards would rather play bard and not fill in as the sole cleric. This whole idea started with complaints i've heard from clerics for a while now. So, I figured i'd give them the chance to stand up and try to get what they want, now, either all the unhappy clerics are cowards and dont want to speak up on a forum, or they dont read them. I thank the "few" clerics who have voiced their opinion and support. If this guild is not wanted, I will disband it. But, the next time I hear a cleric complaining about being broke, they had better be the ones speaking up. And people please, try to look at what the clerics (or bard) used on you throughout a quest and tip him/her at the end. For those of you that do, thank you. For those of you that don't, your the reason for this guild!

[Beherit_Baphomar]

Y'know, I cant remember the last time I bought a single scroll or wand.

I cant remember the last time I bought a piece of equipment for my cleric either, Ive got my fearsome fullplate,
Ive got my sup dev VI sceptre, Ive got my grtr pot VI sceptre (still looking for sup) and my +6 WIS helm...I need
nothing for him.

I dont repair anything cause I dont get hit...maybe my goggles for 50gold a pop, but thats it.

Im making more money on my cleric than any character Ive ever had.

Ive gotten about 6 donations since I created him, amounting to about 10k gold.

Ive no idea why people think being a cleric is a hardship...I love it.

Or is what Ive just said breaking the cleric code of silence? Shall I be smote for saying Im making money and
not going broke?

[max274]

I came across this thread and just shook my head when I read the opening post. What "I" understand to be true is that everyone has their own play style. Some rouges just sneak and have no lockpicking ability (for example). I hate when I see clerics complaining about they spend too much money helping other people stay alive. What those people need to do is check themselves... because a cleric IS life support....while some posts mention some classes are self healing - and that you should alwyas bring your own healing pots for back up...The idea of a cleric - is that they are for healing and positive buffs -quit whinning - if you dont like the idea of support dont play a cleric.... I have a cleric and I "never" ask for donations. People offer.... sometimes I accept but most of the time I say no becuase I understand what is entailed for playing a cleric. I always do my best to keep everyone alive in my parties and try to keep enough scrolls and such around for that... if I dont have enough Plat I have a Alt send over some ... that is my support.... I play the game to play the game... i dont cry cause my UBER guy was held and killed by a lowbie and complain about it for days... its a game ... I get up and start my crawling again.... Hope your guild goes well but I will never donate to your cause.

[Cowdenicus]

I had a pug today...... I knew I should have dropped but I didnt, I stuck it out in POP elite...... had 4 melees in the group (first mistake) 2 of which were level 11's (second mistake) and well, 4 sp bars later and 2 major mnemonics down the drain I still died twice (because I pulled agro with my mass healing in the final room)....

well most runs are solid, today was the exception.

[Heladron]

The OP doesn't even appear to have a cleric according to the list of toons in his signature. This is the age old complaint/problem with this game and I don't know how many threads I have read about it. Clerics already have a stigma in this game for being self-righteous. Yes, not all clerics are like this but it is still a stigma and it usually stems from clerics complaining about not having any money or being whiny little babies in groups and refusing to heal someone for whatever reason. It is amazing how this game has evolved when it comes to clerics. Back in the day we didn't even think about running a group without a cleric. Nowadays, I barely even consider pulling up an LFM for them.

My suggestion to the OP, build a toon other than a cleric. Better yet, if you need money build a Sorc. And if all else fails, I will show you how to farm quests for loot and plat. My suggestion to everyone else would be, either 1. Build your own cleric. - There is nothing better than feeling the pain and anguish of a class like building a toon of your very own and I have found that it will dramatically improve your overall playing ability, and 2. STOCK UP!!!! - I don't know how many times I have run a group without a cleric just to find out half way through the quest that someone didn't buy pots or wands. If you are not a cleric, it is absolutely necessary that you have pots and/or wands on you at ALL times (oh, and if you can't seem to afford them because you have to use too many than you really need to rethink your playstyle...and this is coming from someone's whose main has always been a Barb).

I agree 1000% (I know there's no such thing but this post is one of those that made me say ***)

I play a cleric on the Ghallanda Server. I used to be poor, but then I made a great discovery. Menechtarun. Ok, it wasn't a discovery, but there are chests out there that drop frequently and me and almost everyone knows to loot run the desert. My cleric is currently sitting at 140K PP. Nothing glorious, but that is after buying a paralyzer and banisher for my Paladin.

Run Threnal until you get the coin belt or buy a Haggle 10 item. Get some heroism pots and the charisma up and so forth and work on the Haggle Skill. You make money by getting small profits and every point of haggle will earn you a little bit more when you sell your loot.

The more loot runs you do in the desert the better your chances of finding a silly item that people will pay tons of plat for like Mummy Wrappings. I've pulled 3 or 4 and made about 10K pp per. It's super easy if you're willing to take a break from questing and run some loot. You can make a good 10K plat or more doing that. It's even better in the Orchard and you get Tapestries.

I never charge for my services because I chose to make a cleric. I chose to make a cleric because I wanted a "free" ride to a fast cap. That's what I got too. My cleric capped so fast it was amazing and now I just park him and run reaver raids. Reaver raids are another great source of money. All the quests in GH yield high dollar items and with good groups you hardly go through any SP or Scrolls.

I give money out to clerics, occasionally while playing my other non-clerics, but if the said cleric can't do at least as good a job as I could do (I'm far from the best cleric, but good enough.) then "NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!!" As a cleric you are getting a combat free life man. Use your other characters to send you supplies and don't run with hacks. Some parties will drain you dry, but some parties will give you a free loot and XP run and you'll hardly break a sweat.

[issiana]

i dunno if i should but i cant resist adding my 2 copper on this.

I played clerics/healers (ie a healing specd bard) all my playing time on argonessan. i even had the distinction of a well known forum personality calling my clerics one of the best on the server.

I was dirt poor!!!

I spent all my money on wands, i never got to buy the "good" stuff on the auctions. evenutally i gave up playing as i got sick of the "unfun" factor.

Well when i came back i played a fighter/pally. guess what.. the money i spent on wands/buff pots was immense. I got a reputation as a good fighter who was self sufficent. Guess what i used to spend more on my tank in pots than my cleric ever did on wands.

I was dirt poor again, lol

Now i play on ghallanda and play rogues, bards, sorc, wizzie, and a cleric

Each of my characters spends A LOT of scrolls and pots. there is no way i ask for money, and there is no way i will donate to others who demand it. If the cleric demands money before the quest i'll drop. why? well to many clerics take the money and drop, or proof to be so bad at the job i still spend heaps on pots anyway. My sorc is umd built and will always offer to be "cleric" if need be. yes it costs me a small fortune to do that (aka invaders elite with no healer class, just my sorcs umd!) but i'm happy to do it as its fun and part of my build

So after a quest ends and i notice the cleric has spent a lot and being worth it, then i might offer them a donation IF my costs are lesser. but to those in the group who have spent NOTHING they SHOULD be happy to pass on a little donation to keep the "fun" factor there for the cleric.

Guys dont forget other players incure emmense costs in quests just because they want to get the job done! I am one such player. i do it because i choose to. i could stop using my pots etc.. and just let the cleric waste there money on me but thats irresponsible imo.

that little mini rant said....

the idea of an all cleric guild is a good one, just as a all rogue, bard etc... guild is as well.

BUT... remember if you start demanding money for your services your guild may be blacklisted by others and you'll have to play only in guild, beware you dont make a rod for your own backs.