Clerics Guild

[randy7782]

I was thinking that clerics get hosed a lot during gameplay, no one tips like they should and providing the services they do costs a lot. Here is my thought... A guild formed of only clerics that groups could approach for their services, and would have to pay a pre-determined amount of either wands, scrolls, or pp etc. based on quest and difficulty of quest. In order to "hire" the cleric for the duration of the quest. So come on clerics. stop getting hosed and taken advantage of by thoughtless zerging, and cheap pug groups. What say you clerics? STAND UP AND UNITE AGAINST THE TYRANNY, AS GOD IS MY WITNESS CLERICS WILL NEVER GO HUNGRY AGAIN!!!!!!!

[Lukalock]

allright!!!! finally!! i am tired of constantly being poor and being cursed to stare forever longingly at the items that i need and want (i.e. black dragonscale armor) because i spend all of my money, and sell all of my precious loot - just to support other players.... (wands, scrolls, ect.)


--starving cleric (and a darn good one at that)

[Ghoste]

A recommendation for this: Some people rely a lot more heavily on clerics than others. Keep a white list in your guild through your experiences to determine those who are much easier to look after and adjust your prices accordingly for them.

*Edit* A second suggestion: keep a guild blacklist of those who are particularly difficult to heal. Adjust your general prices to be cheaper for all, even cheaper for those on the white list, and more expensive for blacklisters. Don't give names when negotiating, just give them the price.

[randy7782]

This is an Idea that will be implemented. If you would like to help get this off the ground any help would be appreciated.

[GuitarHero]

you also might take into account self sufficiency. Bards, rogues, paladins and rangers can often heal up between fights, but might need some healing DURING fights. Though they do need your healing arts from time to time, between fights they are less of a burden. Non-umd casters and barbarians/fighters will be needing much more of your attention during and after battles. So i'd suggest a standard rate, and a self sufficient rate, meaning the self sufficient still is entitled to your healing arts, but between battles it is his/her responsibility to heal up to full.

[randy7782]

That is a very good idea thnx for the input. All idea's and input are welcome as well as new members, Clerics Guild is forming now Plz send mail or in game tell to Maggott. Lets make this work people, you all know this is a good thing.

[Ghoste]

you also might take into account self sufficiency. Bards, rogues, paladins and rangers can often heal up between fights, but might need some healing DURING fights. Though they do need your healing arts from time to time, between fights they are less of a burden. Non-umd casters and barbarians/fighters will be needing much more of your attention during and after battles. So i'd suggest a standard rate, and a self sufficient rate, meaning the self sufficient still is entitled to your healing arts, but between battles it is his/her responsibility to heal up to full.

This would have to work in combination with the lists. I know from personal experience as a cleric that many classes who can heal themselves between fights do not. In fact I would recommend charging more to blacklisted pallies than blacklisted barbs.

Should probably come up with a standardized form for clerics to use as they're partying to keep more consistent information. Keep track of things like wands or scrolls used, and give bonus white list points for not using any at all.

[Lukalock]

This all sounds exellent. But ENOUGH TALKING, more doing.


I will join your Clerics Guild.

[Krondiggs]

You got my cleric docc............. clerics spend too much money on scrolls and wands with not enough appreciation and compensation from zerging kill counting TANKS........CLERICS UNITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ghoste]

Only condition I'd consider joining under would be as a warforged cleric. I could make a 32 pointer on Ghallanda though.

Another idea: reduced cost contract - exceeding a specified ammount of resources means the cleric stops healing at that point. If a party agrees to this condition, they can get the cleric at a discount rate.

[randy7782]

Ghoste your replies have been very helpful. We would be honored to have you as an officer of the guild. Your advice and experience would be of great value. Let me know if you ever do start a cleric on ghallanda. thnx again for your advice.

[randy7782]

K a quick "trial" if you will, run down on what this guild is.... This guild will not operate as your normal run of the mill guild. As a cleric of this guild you will be "for hire" when you are logged on. Basically, when you are bored you can log on your "for hire" cleric and earn what you deserve. We will ask each member to include guild info and contact info for officers in their bio, ( so we can monitor quality control and make sure groups are getting what they pay for. there will be a set amount for each lv quest, discounts given for each party member who is "self sufficient" ( healing between battles) And clerics will have a right to refuse service to groups who have had an un-tasteful experience. Please remember that this is all subject to change, We will not set anything in stone until the clerics of stormreach have had there input and have had there chance to list there needs and wants.

[Twerpp]

You got my cleric docc............. clerics spend too much money on scrolls and wands with not enough appreciation and compensation from zerging kill counting TANKS........CLERICS UNITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I WISH I had some zerging kill counting tanks to level with. I leveled my cleric from 1-9 this week and the only thing people are rolling now is bards and rangers (**** you mod 6!) who cant kill for ****. The quest takes longer the kills take longer and I use more mana, wands, scrolls. Somebody out there pick up a freakin greataxe and gimme a hand I will gladly heal you for free!!!!

[Cowdenicus]

I WISH I had some zerging kill counting tanks to level with. I leveled my cleric from 1-9 this week and the only thing people are rolling now is bards and rangers (**** you mod 6!) who cant kill for ****. The quest takes longer the kills take longer and I use more mana, wands, scrolls. Somebody out there pick up a freakin greataxe and gimme a hand I will gladly heal you for free!!!!

funny, i have been leveling my pally and my barbarian (I shoulda named him clerics revenge) for the last couple weeks, although not alot.

[apious1]

The OP doesn't even appear to have a cleric according to the list of toons in his signature. This is the age old complaint/problem with this game and I don't know how many threads I have read about it. Clerics already have a stigma in this game for being self-righteous. Yes, not all clerics are like this but it is still a stigma and it usually stems from clerics complaining about not having any money or being whiny little babies in groups and refusing to heal someone for whatever reason. It is amazing how this game has evolved when it comes to clerics. Back in the day we didn't even think about running a group without a cleric. Nowadays, I barely even consider pulling up an LFM for them.

My suggestion to the OP, build a toon other than a cleric. Better yet, if you need money build a Sorc. And if all else fails, I will show you how to farm quests for loot and plat. My suggestion to everyone else would be, either 1. Build your own cleric. - There is nothing better than feeling the pain and anguish of a class like building a toon of your very own and I have found that it will dramatically improve your overall playing ability, and 2. STOCK UP!!!! - I don't know how many times I have run a group without a cleric just to find out half way through the quest that someone didn't buy pots or wands. If you are not a cleric, it is absolutely necessary that you have pots and/or wands on you at ALL times (oh, and if you can't seem to afford them because you have to use too many than you really need to rethink your playstyle...and this is coming from someone's whose main has always been a Barb).

[GuitarHero]

The OP doesn't even appear to have a cleric according to the list of toons in his signature.

I don't have a rogue in my sig, so i couldn't possiblty have known what i was talking about when i wrote my rogue guide (found at http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=128096 )? Even though it was recently complemented by the rogue virtuoso SableShadow. I don't have a bard in my sig, so i didn't know anything about warchanters in my Warchanter Awareness Thread? Don't judge a player by their sig.

Otherwise, you had some pretty good points, and i agree, all characters should be to some degree or another self sufficient. But don't knock these clerics if thats what they want to do. As i see it, most clerics go around anon because they don't like getting tells to join groups. If this idea works, you should have plenty of non-Anon clerics, since they won't make any cash or get any publicity if they are hidden. And not every cleric is likely to be a part of it, but if you see the name, you know what to expect. And if you paid your cash and the cleric still doesn't have a raise dead scroll, you can legitimately have some beef with them, since they aren't holding up their part of the bargain. There is some accountability here. If you don't like their plan, i'm sure another cleric will be along shortly who isn't a mercenary.

[smatt]

Hhhmmmm, I have noproblem gving to the cause.... AFTER the quest.. Too many times I've given 10-20k P to a cleric only to have them suck healing, use all their mana trying to kill stuff etc. I will not pay for crappy 1/2 hearted clerical services, I will pay handsomely for GOOD clerical services I will not pay up front for anything though

Clerics do get hosed by some yes... But not most of the well known established players.. At least everybody I play with takes care of the clerics very well..... I can imagine how daunting it is being a cleric.. Not an easy task at all,a nd not cheap in PUGS no doubt.....

[Cowdenicus]

Hhhmmmm, I have noproblem gving to the cause.... AFTER the quest.. Too many times I've given 10-20k P to a cleric only to have them suck healing, use all their mana trying to kill stuff etc. I will not pay for crappy 1/2 hearted clerical services, I will pay handsomely for GOOD clerical services I will not pay up front for anything though

Clerics do get hosed by some yes... But not most of the well known established players.. At least everybody I play with takes care of the clerics very well..... I can imagine how daunting it is being a cleric.. Not an easy task at all,a nd not cheap in PUGS no doubt.....

Sometimes a well timed soundburst, or destruction is more efficient than throwing a heal... especially against enemy clerics.

[randy7782]

No I dont have a cleric in my sig. sorry its out of date, I do have a cleric, not one I play very often, but I do have many friends who are clerics. I hear their complaints and wanted to do something about it. If more players were self-sufficient I believe this wouldnt be an issue. and smatt I thank you for your comment. Of course you wouldnt be expected to pay for half hearted service. That is why in all the members bio there will be contact info ( and in the forums as well) where you can let us know how out clerics are doing. We want to offer great clerics to groups, Not bad ones. I have always been against guilds with the elite of the elite only, but in this case we almost have to go that route. Also we arent looking to get rich of this, only compensated for healing done outside the blue bar.

[Ghoste]

Clerics already have a stigma in this game for being self-righteous. Yes, not all clerics are like this but it is still a stigma and it usually stems from clerics complaining about not having any money or being whiny little babies in groups and refusing to heal someone for whatever reason.

And I am one who tries to encourage this stigma. Whenever party members thank me, I quickly paste this part of my bio in response:

don't thank me, fleshling. My god despises you, and I despise you. Thank fate that I consider you more useful to me whole than broken.