Clerics Guild

[randy7782]

I was thinking that clerics get hosed a lot during gameplay, no one tips like they should and providing the services they do costs a lot. Here is my thought... A guild formed of only clerics that groups could approach for their services, and would have to pay a pre-determined amount of either wands, scrolls, or pp etc. based on quest and difficulty of quest. In order to "hire" the cleric for the duration of the quest. So come on clerics. stop getting hosed and taken advantage of by thoughtless zerging, and cheap pug groups. What say you clerics? STAND UP AND UNITE AGAINST THE TYRANNY, AS GOD IS MY WITNESS CLERICS WILL NEVER GO HUNGRY AGAIN!!!!!!!

[Lukalock]

allright!!!! finally!! i am tired of constantly being poor and being cursed to stare forever longingly at the items that i need and want (i.e. black dragonscale armor) because i spend all of my money, and sell all of my precious loot - just to support other players.... (wands, scrolls, ect.)


--starving cleric (and a darn good one at that)

[Ghoste]

A recommendation for this: Some people rely a lot more heavily on clerics than others. Keep a white list in your guild through your experiences to determine those who are much easier to look after and adjust your prices accordingly for them.

*Edit* A second suggestion: keep a guild blacklist of those who are particularly difficult to heal. Adjust your general prices to be cheaper for all, even cheaper for those on the white list, and more expensive for blacklisters. Don't give names when negotiating, just give them the price.

[randy7782]

This is an Idea that will be implemented. If you would like to help get this off the ground any help would be appreciated.

[GuitarHero]

you also might take into account self sufficiency. Bards, rogues, paladins and rangers can often heal up between fights, but might need some healing DURING fights. Though they do need your healing arts from time to time, between fights they are less of a burden. Non-umd casters and barbarians/fighters will be needing much more of your attention during and after battles. So i'd suggest a standard rate, and a self sufficient rate, meaning the self sufficient still is entitled to your healing arts, but between battles it is his/her responsibility to heal up to full.

[randy7782]

That is a very good idea thnx for the input. All idea's and input are welcome as well as new members, Clerics Guild is forming now Plz send mail or in game tell to Maggott. Lets make this work people, you all know this is a good thing.

[Lukalock]

This all sounds exellent. But ENOUGH TALKING, more doing.


I will join your Clerics Guild.

[Ghoste]

you also might take into account self sufficiency. Bards, rogues, paladins and rangers can often heal up between fights, but might need some healing DURING fights. Though they do need your healing arts from time to time, between fights they are less of a burden. Non-umd casters and barbarians/fighters will be needing much more of your attention during and after battles. So i'd suggest a standard rate, and a self sufficient rate, meaning the self sufficient still is entitled to your healing arts, but between battles it is his/her responsibility to heal up to full.

This would have to work in combination with the lists. I know from personal experience as a cleric that many classes who can heal themselves between fights do not. In fact I would recommend charging more to blacklisted pallies than blacklisted barbs.

Should probably come up with a standardized form for clerics to use as they're partying to keep more consistent information. Keep track of things like wands or scrolls used, and give bonus white list points for not using any at all.

[Ghoste]

Only condition I'd consider joining under would be as a warforged cleric. I could make a 32 pointer on Ghallanda though.

Another idea: reduced cost contract - exceeding a specified ammount of resources means the cleric stops healing at that point. If a party agrees to this condition, they can get the cleric at a discount rate.

[randy7782]

Ghoste your replies have been very helpful. We would be honored to have you as an officer of the guild. Your advice and experience would be of great value. Let me know if you ever do start a cleric on ghallanda. thnx again for your advice.

[randy7782]

K a quick "trial" if you will, run down on what this guild is.... This guild will not operate as your normal run of the mill guild. As a cleric of this guild you will be "for hire" when you are logged on. Basically, when you are bored you can log on your "for hire" cleric and earn what you deserve. We will ask each member to include guild info and contact info for officers in their bio, ( so we can monitor quality control and make sure groups are getting what they pay for. there will be a set amount for each lv quest, discounts given for each party member who is "self sufficient" ( healing between battles) And clerics will have a right to refuse service to groups who have had an un-tasteful experience. Please remember that this is all subject to change, We will not set anything in stone until the clerics of stormreach have had there input and have had there chance to list there needs and wants.

[RunsFree]

I never asked for the buffs! I always offer to heal myself with my own pots. I always ask if you need something before we get into the quest so I have made sure we have enough to get through alive and without completely depleting your reserves.

I stay up front and kill, kill, kill, while you stay in back and say oops! when you weren't paying enough attention to make sure I didn't get wiped out by that thing it is you could not fight if you wanted to.

I always do my part and I always give the others whatever it is they need, however you rarely want to go on a quest with me. Forget the fact that the game generates you the equivalent treasures as the rest of us.

If I forget to do my part of the job then nobody gets what they want. If you forget to do yours?!

Wait! You aren't there anyway. You are too busy complaining to the forums about not getting your share to waste your time aiding me in advancing a quest and getting your share. If you can't quit your complaining and do your share of the work like the rest of us then I say go form your guild.

The rest of us will invite Paladins and or Bards to get the job done. That might take longer, but we will eventually get the job done and reap our rewards.

You and your guild members can go through quests on your own, because I sure as heck am not about to PAY you. Lets us see how far you get without anyone but other clerics to run raids!

PinteMon (lvl 10 Fighter) wishes everyone would make nice, cooperate with one another, run quests like nobodys business and please don't forget that there are those who have not played for long that could certainly use your help.

[randy7782]

All we are asking for is compensation for the wands and scrolls we go through. We dont expect to get rich off this. I understand that there are a lot of toons out there that compensate their clerics, and for them. THANK YOU. BUT, far too often a cleric goes into a bad pug goes through WAY too many scrolls and or wands and gets nothing out of it but their share of the loot which doesnt even come close to the restocking price. We dont plan on running quests with each other (only clerics) we are just trying to make clerics available for whatever quest you are running. hence "for hire" You say i want you for this quest, you know how much it will cost, and we oblige and get the party through it, even if it isnt a quest we enjoy. If you have a problem with this, than this thread wasn't meant for you in the first place.

[redraider]

An all Cleric Guild? At first I liked the idea. It's kind of like a union. Hold all those who want our services hostage to paying our price.

We'll need work rules:

1. Pay first play later.
2. Lvl1 Quest - 100pp, Lvl 2 Quest 200pp and a Cure Lt wounds wand, Lvl3 Quest 300pp and 1 Cure Med Wounds Wand, Lvl 14 Quest, 1400pp, 2 Ressurection Scrolls and a Cure Serious Wounds Wand, etc.
3. Clerics get a min of 1 kill per quest
4. No healing on Sundays or after 8pm GMT without double compensation.
5. Guilds that raid without Clerics will get no clerics for any other quest.
6. Cleric get 1st choice of raid loot each and every time.
7. No heavy lifting - Thats what Barbs are for.

OK, now that I really think about this, the idea sucks. Get in a good guild that looks after it's players. If your guildless, that's easy. If your in a zerging guild that doesn't look after its players, it's even easier.

[Oreg]

The only way I would "hire" one of the clerics from this guild is if you agreed to only heal when we say so, so as not to burn through your sp when self healing capable people in our group can do it and not to lay down damage spells unless we ask for it and basically not do anything unless we ask for it so that we can clearly see when you are using sp. After all, we are paying for it right? If it were me as the cleric I would never agree to this as it sounds boring, but then again, I am being "paid" to do what they want. It's not like they invited me to participate, they "hired" me.

Yes, I am being sarcastic but seriously do you advocates feel that even though you are being paid, you can still play the way you want to play? Or should you be forced to utilize a certain playstyle since you are being paid? ie healing only.

And yes, I have a cleric on Ghallanda

[Do'Urden]

My capped cleric ONLY takes time away from his prayers to help out the guild. He rarely has to actually use a Heal scroll or significant wand charges and very rarely has to listen to baseless complaints Know who you're running with...this is the only way I have found to achieve happiness as a cleric. No amount of plat *compensation* can offset the miserable experience of a truly bad PUG.

[Lorz]

All we are asking for is compensation for the wands and scrolls we go through. We dont expect to get rich off this. I understand that there are a lot of toons out there that compensate their clerics, and for them. THANK YOU. BUT, far too often a cleric goes into a bad pug goes through WAY too many scrolls and or wands and gets nothing out of it but their share of the loot which doesnt even come close to the restocking price. We dont plan on running quests with each other (only clerics) we are just trying to make clerics available for whatever quest you are running. hence "for hire" You say i want you for this quest, you know how much it will cost, and we oblige and get the party through it, even if it isnt a quest we enjoy. If you have a problem with this, than this thread wasn't meant for you in the first place.

Geez...this is so easy...you get into a pug that is zurging...simply use your mana nothing else!!!

Get into a party that knows how to play as a party then you use whatever it takes to get through the quest.


Seems like to me you can control your expenses easily enough by what type of party you have. If done correctly you will end up money ahead everytime.


Some folks here really dont know how to play a CLERIC!

Oh and there are always GOOD clerics available to those who know how to play. Some here obviously need to learn the game.....

The dumbest idea for 2007 a pay for use cleric guild.

NOOB!

[Heladron]

I'm with you Lorz.

I run with lots of PUGs when guildies aren't on. If I wasn't in a guild already I'd make a counter cleric guild that heals for free. It's just not right to expect people to pay for supplies for your character. Next we'll be buying wands and scrolls for sorcerers and wizards because they will be using them for the "good" of the party. That makes as little sense as buying wands for a cleric because they'll be used for the party. When was the last time you handed over a wand of scorching ray or MM to the caster so he can take down the boss in STK? It just doesn't happen very often if at all. Why should it be different for clerics?

Now see what you've done Lorz. You're getting me all riled up. I'm almost ready to go roll up another cleric so that there will be a free alternative to a mercenary guild of clerics. The KotCG will stand for righteous Cleric'ing for the sake of Healing.

[hannika]

When was the last time you handed over a wand of scorching ray or MM to the caster so he can take down the boss in STK? It just doesn't happen very often if at all. Why should it be different for clerics?

heh. i've done this several times while leveling lowbies that couldn't just take the guy down with an addy weapon myself. just to make sure it gets done. but yeah not the point i know. blah blah clerics guild bad i already put in my two cents.

[Gunga]

WAAAAAA. I'm broke and I have to heal people. WAAAAAAAA.