Updated Death Penalty and Permanent Item Damage Changes

[Kerr]

I can see it now kobold island becomes soul gem farming central

edit we get an ingredient bag in mod 6, Eladrin can you make it large size

It will need to allow stacks of thousands too so the Khyber shards can be stored in it.

[xman26]

Unbinding should cost min level ^ 4 or 5 to be unbound.

That would be fair as would giving the item a new lower durability. Either one would be a good choice to allow US the players to decide whether or not to unbind the item or not.

[LordFancyPants]

I disagree. Lets say you already have a +1 Vorp BS of BS and its bound to your fighter. During mod 6 you come across a +3 Vorp BS of Disruption(doubt it would exist, but just follow along ok), now wouldn't you like to pass along your original, bound weapon to say your new lower level fighter for use so you can continue keep the new and improved one you just received by unbinding the old one. Or you would rather sell the old one for 10% its value, not be able to use it anymore other than on that one character and now have to vorp type weapons on one toon? That doesn't make much sense to me.

That's the point of this system!

You now have a decision to make with your gear. Do you A) Bind the item so that it doesn't take perm damage and so you can add effects to it or B) Keep the item unbound so you can pass it around from toon to toon. Take your pick...

[Kisaragi]

Ah but what about the OTHER cool things? VAST AND MYSTERIOUS! *amnesia dust*

I might point out that Amensia Dust causes my characters to go on a homicidal binge where I feel all the other races but drow must die. But since you just toss it around so casually....you have been warned...

*hums let the bodies hit the floor*

[Symar-FangofLloth]

What's a Soul Gem? The things Wizards do when using Trap the Soul? So this is going to be an Arcane caster focused creation system? Nothing wrong with that, just would love to hear more information on it.

Item creation in tabletop D&D has always been caster-focused, with an emphasis on arcanes (and artificers). I'm assuming as well the the Soul Gems are the remnants for Trap the Soul, and different types of monsters get boiled down to different flavors of Soul Gems. Yeah, now arcanes can either: 1) buff their alts' weapons, 2) buff their own weapons (!), 3) buff their guild's weapons, or 4) sell it for a profit on the AH.

At least, that's my thoughts.

[Devilsdelight]

I disagree. Lets say you already have a +1 Vorp BS of BS and its bound to your fighter. During mod 6 you come across a +3 Vorp BS of Disruption(doubt it would exist, but just follow along ok), now wouldn't you like to pass along your original, bound weapon to say your new lower level fighter for use so you can continue keep the new and improved one you just received by unbinding the old one. Or you would rather sell the old one for 10% its value, not be able to use it anymore other than on that one character and now have to vorp type weapons on one toon? That doesn't make much sense to me.

If you wanted to pass it on you shouldn't have bound it. If you want to avoid perm damage, and add goodies to your uber item then you have to pay the price and keep that item on one char. I don't see anything unfair about it.

You're basically saying your against bound items, which is a prefectly valid opinion. But DDO has bound items and I for one don't have a problem with it.

Especially since there are plenty of great items that aren't bound, and no one is forcing you to bind your Vorpal Bastard Sword of Backstabbing.

[xman26]

That's the point of this system!

You now have a decision to make with your gear. Do you A) Bind the item so that it doesn't take perm damage and so you can add effects to it or B) Keep the item unbound so you can pass it around from toon to toon. Take your pick...

And I say we should have the right to also choose to unbind something. Either at a high shard level cost as one other suggested or by reducing its durability suring the unbinding process or a combo of both.

[MysticTheurge]

Item creation in tabletop D&D has always been caster-focused, with an emphasis on arcanes (and artificers). I'm assuming as well the the Soul Gems are the remnants for Trap the Soul, and different types of monsters get boiled down to different flavors of Soul Gems. Yeah, now arcanes can either: 1) buff their alts' weapons, 2) buff their own weapons (!), 3) buff their guild's weapons, or 4) sell it for a profit on the AH.

At least, that's my thoughts.

While you're entirely accurate about D&D being caster-oriented, I think any such one-sided system would wreak havoc in an MMO.

They'll need to ensure that one or two classes don't have a monopoly on important crafting elements.

[MysticTheurge]

And I say we should have the right to also choose to unbind something.

And I say I should have the right to just walk into any bank and have them give me a million dollars.

[Kerr]

Item creation in tabletop D&D has always been caster-focused, with an emphasis on arcanes (and artificers). I'm assuming as well the the Soul Gems are the remnants for Trap the Soul, and different types of monsters get boiled down to different flavors of Soul Gems. Yeah, now arcanes can either: 1) buff their alts' weapons, 2) buff their own weapons (!), 3) buff their guild's weapons, or 4) sell it for a profit on the AH.

At least, that's my thoughts.

Right, and nothing wrong with that, but if it's focused on arcanes, that's going to shut out the divine casters and non-blue bar folks. Crafting should be something that everyone can participate in, even if they can't do all the items. In fact I like it that some classes have different 'recipes' they can do that other classes don't have.

[Gratch]

So question(s)?

Does an attuned item just mean any item that's been made bound or are these just new special items from the raid?
Would Adamantine Ritual 2 or 3 actually give the item the adamantine attribute for DR purposes?
Will there be a means to mithril up armor? cold-iron weapons?
Place your guild leader's favorite toon in a soul stone during an "accident" in the PVP tavern?

[Kerr]

And I say I should have the right to just walk into any bank and have them give me a million dollars.

You too???? I thought I was the only one.

[xman26]

If you wanted to pass it on you shouldn't have bound it. If you want to avoid perm damage, and add goodies to your uber item then you have to pay the price and keep that item on one char. I don't see anything unfair about it.

You're basically saying your against bound items, which is a prefectly valid opinion. But DDO has bound items and I for one don't have a problem with it.

Especially since there are plenty of great items that aren't bound, and no one is forcing you to bind your Vorpal Bastard Sword of Backstabbing.

And I personnaly dispise bound items, it is the worst part of this game and deserve to have a way to unbind items. I'm sure they can add code that could prevent once bound item from getting tossed on the AH as I'm sure that is where most of your "its a great idea" theory is coming from.

[xman26]

And I say I should have the right to just walk into any bank and have them give me a million dollars.

This is a game, not real life. and being that it is a game, we should have the option. But you still have the option in RL to go into a bank and demand 1 million bucks and they have the right to have you tossed in jail.

[Kerr]

This is a game, not real life. and being that it is a game, we should have the option.

I think what you are looking for is called Amber. It's a diceless, ruleless gamng system. Games otherwise have to have rules, and the DMs (Devs) makes the rules here.

[moorewr]

I think what you are looking for is called Amber. It's a diceless, ruleless gamng system. Games otherwise have to have rules, and the DMs (Devs) makes the rules here.

Maybe he should try out Progress Quest?

[MysticTheurge]

Question about binding and rituals:

How will this interact with items that are already bound (like raid loot and quest-chain end rewards)? Will we have to perform the binding ritual on those in order to prime them for other rituals?

[MysticTheurge]

This is a game, not real life. and being that it is a game, we should have the option. But you still have the option in RL to go into a bank and demand 1 million bucks and they have the right to have you tossed in jail.

So change "dollars" to "platinum."

It's still not a good idea.

[xman26]

I think what you are looking for is called Amber. It's a diceless, ruleless gamng system. Games otherwise have to have rules, and the DMs (Devs) makes the rules here.

Yes they do, and are already removing a good death penalty system for a much crappier one. So they are making the rules up as they go, they can and should make unbinding a rule too, its in their power to do so.

[dragnmoon]

And I personnaly dispise bound items, it is the worst part of this game and deserve to have a way to unbind items. I'm sure they can add code that could prevent once bound item from getting tossed on the AH as I'm sure that is where most of your "its a great idea" theory is coming from.

So it does not ruin the Economy... and It also does not ruin the idea that Bound Items (Like raid items) are more powerful then non bound items..that is why they have the restriction of bound items.

A better thing to argue for... and what it is you really want..

Is the ability to have bound Items Bind to an account so they can be traded with your other characters.. or a Shared bank with all your characters.