The "Stout" Weapon Master Dwarven THF Build

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

this is easily my favorite character to play, hands down.

Personally I'm not a fan of the dragonmark system, especially on fighters. I cant get over losing the 3 feats, for a few frills....in your case expeditious retreats... but I support your build because it adds a new twist to the game, opens up slots, sounds fun to play, and most importantly foolish human think he hits as hard as the Stout One.......

Feel free to post that link, I'll check it out...

Now Stout One must cook some old fashioned pot roast and veggies for the Stout clan (and I DO MEAN STOUT!)......

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Good stuff there, just got done posting on your thread, Tanka. I'm a big fan at studying builds so I'm glad I got ya to post your tanka build finally!!

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Well I've had appx 10 days to play with my new enhancements. Dwarf Spell Defense I, II, & III, Fighter Toughness IV, and Axe Damage I, II were all great suggestions. I am keeping all the changes. The spell defense benefit is actually quite recognizable in play. It's the perfect enhancement to shore up the low wisdom and will saves most DPS fighters contend with. Axe Damage I & II adds extra punch to axes. I must admit I was a bit surprised here. Axe Damage over Axe Attack for the win.

I am happy to announce Aandre now has the elusive Bloodstone. It took 43 runs... it popped in the chest south of the shrine in the center of the desert. The previous day, TWO other Bloodstones popped for party members, both popping in the Thirsty One chest. Do I notice the Bloodstone difference? Just a one word answer is necessary... WOW. + 6 seeker heaven...

Now I feel like the Stout One is complete, and awaiting the changes MOD 6 will bring to us.

I hope everyone has a happy & healthy 2008. May all our families be healthy, and may we remember all the real heroes in uniform across the world.

SALUD!

[Slayer918]

I am happy to announce Aandre now has the elusive Bloodstone. It took 43 runs... it popped in the chest south of the shrine in the center of the desert. The previous day, TWO other Bloodstones popped for party members, both popping in the Thirsty One chest. Do I notice the Bloodstone difference? Just a one word answer is necessary... WOW. + 6 seeker heaven...
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SALUD!

only 43 runs... thats pretty good... I've ran it 200+ times havnt pulled 1... (no spell storing ring either...)

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

200 times huh? That sucks... I wish it would drop more often ... but guess it wouldn't be a rare drop if it dropped often.

Don't know how you do your runs, but I pretty much run straight west to the mephit chest (just south of the shrine in the center of the desert), bolt over to the Thirsty One chest, then up to the spell storing ring. 3 chests. Thats it, nice fast run.

The bow of the elements (air elemental chest just north of the Thirsty One) and the Coronation shield (random drop, and its junk) pop much more often but I prefer to ignore those most runs. The problem with the runs are they can be very boring, because nothing is of great interest other than the Bloodstone or Spell Storing ring. However, its worth doing the runs because the Bloodstone is just so valuable ($5 million gp at Auction House minimum 1st bid) and useful.

Best of luck Slayer - you'll get it...

[Slayer918]

200 times huh? That sucks... I wish it would drop more often ... but guess it wouldn't be a rare drop if it dropped often.

Don't know how you do your runs, but I pretty much run straight west to the mephit chest (just south of the shrine in the center of the desert), bolt over to the Thirsty One chest, then up to the spell storing ring. 3 chests. Thats it, nice fast run.

The bow of the elements (air elemental chest just north of the Thirsty One) and the Coronation shield (random drop, and its junk) pop much more often but I prefer to ignore those most runs. The problem with the runs are they can be very boring, because nothing is of great interest other than the Bloodstone or Spell Storing ring. However, its worth doing the runs because the Bloodstone is just so valuable ($5 million gp at Auction House minimum 1st bid) and useful.

Best of luck Slayer - you'll get it...

I've got one... I had to trade for it but it was worth not having to run that **** anymore lol...

[reziel_deadshot]

Oh ok misunderstood.

I disagree that +2 tomes drop at "a reasonable rate" +2 tomes are still very much an EXTREMELY lucky drop. They do not drop anywhere near frequently, and most players don't even have a single +2 tome. Furthermore, no average player or even many seasoned players can afford a +2 tome on the AH, with today's rates. I can, but I dont see spending that much plat on one.

i'm not a power gamer i have 4 toons capped, err well would be 5 but i deleted him, and a few 6-9 range, and i have 2 toons with all +2 tomes, and 1 with 2 or 3, and 2 of the toons also have 1 +3 tome (int for wizard, cha for umd fighter). granted the one +3tome i got for my every 20 end reward from reaver, but personally these are not "EXTREMELY LUCKY DROP" i give the tomes away most of the time to friends or guildies.

*note* i did have **** load of2 tradeable tomes from earlier DDO bout 1 full set and half.

YeahThe Stout One I'm sure hits much harder than your UMD evasion fighter, thats his job. However, who is harder to hit? Your guy of course

heh, i have a 10fighter, 2 barbarian, 2 rogue halfling (yes granted i do have a lot of things that majority of the people dont have on her (IE: only missing 3 raid items on her, full set of +2 tomes and 1 +3 tome) but i got a 30 strength on her, (unraged..natural, potion, madstone) i get to what, 38 strength, and i have a 24 base con, thats 30 con, got 367 give or take a few hp on her then idk what the end is with all raged its like 450+ idk, but with madstone on, barkskin pot on her breastplate of vol, armor master 2 26 dex and

Oh ok misunderstood.

I disagree that +2 tomes drop at "a reasonable rate" +2 tomes are still very much an EXTREMELY lucky drop. They do not drop anywhere near frequently, and most players don't even have a single +2 tome. Furthermore, no average player or even many seasoned players can afford a +2 tome on the AH, with today's rates. I can, but I dont see spending that much plat on one.

i'm not a power gamer i have 4 toons capped, err well would be 5 but i deleted him, and a few 6-9 range, and i have 2 toons with all +2 tomes, and 1 with 2 or 3, and 2 of the toons also have 1 +3 tome (int for wizard, cha for umd fighter). granted the one +3tome i got for my every 20 end reward from reaver, but personally these are not "EXTREMELY LUCKY DROP" i give the tomes away most of the time to friends or guildies.

*note* i did have **** load of2 tradeable tomes from earlier DDO bout 1 full set and half.

YeahThe Stout One I'm sure hits much harder than your UMD evasion fighter, thats his job. However, who is harder to hit? Your guy of course

heh, i have a 10fighter, 2 barbarian, 2 rogue halfling (yes granted i do have a lot of things that majority of the people dont have on her (IE: only missing 3 raid items on her, full set of +2 tomes and 1 +3 tome) but i got a 30 strength on her, (unraged..natural, potion, madstone) i get to what, 38 strength, and i have a 24 base con, thats 30 con, got 367 give or take a few hp on her then idk what the end is with all raged its like 450+ idk, but with madstone on, barkskin pot on her breastplate of vol, armor master 2 26 dex and +5 mith tower shield, tower shield master 2, pro 5 item, chattering ring, size bonus i manage to get like a 50 ac or so, with power attack on i garuntee i do just about as much damage as u with evasion, umd, and hp and ac ;-) although this toon is quite old and i did work on her for a while so i do have an advantage so i would not compare to much.

Can you swing a Maul with my precision? Doubt it. Can you withstand a 140pt crit? Twice? Do you have GTHF? Do you hit on a 2? Did you spend the time and plat into the weaponry I did? I know your build kicks butt because I've read your posts (I must admit I'd like to actually see your build), but you should know too that I've invested much time into this build and know how to play him to perfection.

Evasion? But I cant remember too many evasion melees producing the DPS I do (unless they are wisely built TWF rogues or rangers sporting dueling w/p weapons, and even thats not technically DPS, its stat damage) UMD? Bahhh, not on a DPS fighter, I like it much better on my 'nekkid 58 AC Warforged intimi-tank! (62 AC boosted) Oh by the way my WF's saves are 34/29/26.... UMD 37. Now doesnt that sound closer to these oranges/grapefruits you are referring to!?

i highlighted a few things in red that you mentioned i am going to talk about in the order inwhich they come.
1)you are a fighter, personally any 14 fighter with or without greater heroism should be able to manage a 35+ per swing...cmon your a fighter dang it!

2)if you have heavy fort on (which every single tank needs, and all toons should, cept casters they exception) you will not be hit by a 140 pt crit, and any capped fighter should have over 200 hp, MINIMUM! thats only if ur a drow..with very little con, low/no item, low/no false life item..so that shouldnt be mentioned.

3) any capped fighter should hit on a 2 in most of the content..hell my 14 wizard with 16 strength (halfling) hits on a 7 in gianthold tor pre raid elite! yes thats right, so you have no excuse for not hitting otherwise reroll dangit!

4) time and plat you say? first....plat is soo easy to come by these days, and as for time, its not time its luck of the pull.

5)play to perfection..hehe thats based on who your playing with and whos judging

6) i dindt highlight this but u say u dont know many evasion dps toons that can keep up with the dps you do? well if they are fighter with power attack then honestly its quite easy, max str and power attack only advatange you get is the +2 or 3 damage to axes...not that great.

halflings rule wf's!!! w00t..if ur saves are that high should reroll it into a fleshy since u don't have to worry about being held, and those saves/umd are quite easy to obtain, my halfling fighter (yes like i said does have an advantage but) with head of good fortune, +3 cha tome +6 item, i have a 22 charisma thats a 6 modifier titan gloves another +5, and then the +2 to rogue boost (like i ever need it) i have a 40 with boost 38 without with merely my greater heroism, and think her saves when buffed (self buffed) are at 30,29,22, not that great but i still can solo almost every single quest ingame(on elite) with her with using not that many heal scrolls, exception of madstone crater elite...only managed to solo that on my wizard.

anyways ur going around in circles, you say u made the build as cheap as u can, (not needing to spend loads of plat even though easily obtained) but then ur talking about how u spent so much time and plat into it, bit of a contradiction i must say

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

i'm not a power gamer i have 4 toons capped, err well would be 5 but i deleted him, and a few 6-9 range, and i have 2 toons with all +2 tomes, and 1 with 2 or 3, and 2 of the toons also have 1 +3 tome (int for wizard, cha for umd fighter).

This sounds like a Jeff Foxworthy comedy bit... You know you're a Redneck if...

If you have 4-5 capped toons YOU ARE A Red......err.. Power Gamer! No questions asked.

If you have 12-15 +2 tomes, YOU ARE A Red....err.. Power Gamer. Don't be ridiculous!
Most players I play with cant come anywhere close to all those +2 tomes... And I play with most everyone on Ghallanda. On the other hand, there always seems to be ONE that pulls tomes like theres no tomorrow. But thats the exception. +2 and especially +3 are rare drops for legitimate players (not buying fake money with real money).

yes granted i do have a lot of things that majority of the people dont have on her...

I always look at folks that are so much more built up than anyone else with suspicion, not saying YOU are a plat farmer, but I always am speculative when I see the guy with every clicky and rare item under the sun. You are either lucky or cheating, 1 of the 2. Naturally if its luck, you are cool with me.

i garuntee i do just about as much damage as u with evasion, umd, and hp and ac ;-)

Evasion, umd, hp and ac are defensive tactics, they do not contribute to damage. DPS feats and enhancements do. The correct weapons do. And most importantly the correct gameplay does. This toon doesnt need to pump everything I've got into UMD, thats why I speced in both slashing and bludgeoning. You UMD just to USE the item. I am using it FULLY SPEC'D out. You do not do as much damage as I do.

1)you are a fighter, personally any 14 fighter with or without greater heroism should be able to manage a 35+ per swing...cmon your a fighter dang it!

What does this have to do with the convo. I'm hitting on a 2. Doesnt matter if I swing a +1 or a +5 weapon, I'm connecting on almost every swing.

2)if you have heavy fort on (which every single tank needs, and all toons should, cept casters they exception) you will not be hit by a 140 pt crit, and any capped fighter should have over 200 hp, MINIMUM! thats only if ur a drow..with very little con, low/no item, low/no false life item..so that shouldnt be mentioned.

I rarely get critted, naturally I have Minos Legens on. You can still get crit, heavy fort does not guarantee crit-free play, but it ain't gonna happen very often.

3) any capped fighter should hit on a 2 in most of the content..hell my 14 wizard with 16 strength (halfling) hits on a 7 in gianthold tor pre raid elite! yes thats right, so you have no excuse for not hitting otherwise reroll dangit!

blah blah...

4) time and plat you say? first....plat is soo easy to come by these days, and as for time, its not time its luck of the pull.

Tell that to a guy like Slayer who tried over 200 times to pull a Bloodstone, and so many others that invest their time into this game. Pulls take time, and rare pulls take a LOT of time.... unless you get lucky. But time is a pre-req in any MMO, and DDO is no exception.

5)play to perfection..hehe thats based on who your playing with and whos judging

blah blah... The Stout One reaches for his jug of spiked eggnog... /burp /sleep /snore

6) i dindt highlight this but u say u dont know many evasion dps toons that can keep up with the dps you do? well if they are fighter with power attack then honestly its quite easy, max str and power attack only advatange you get is the +2 or 3 damage to axes...not that great.

No its not that easy. TWF with w/p is the only players that I've had decent challenge with. Also in PVP, builds with AC into their mid 50's are not easy to hit. Naturally a barbarian specced out and properly played can be fun. But if I'm facing a fighter with DPS, its pretty much a slaying.

halflings rule wf's!!!

I like halflings. I have a halfling bard that kicks arses. However, when it comes to an AC defensive build, I prefer the immunities and the ease of building WF intimitanks. You need much less loot to properly fit a WF, and he walks up to home plate with immunities, very high AC and the saves of a good pali. I fail on a 1, thats it. Full Uberness with little raid/rare loot needed.

you say u made the build as cheap as u can, (not needing to spend loads of plat even though easily obtained) but then ur talking about how u spent so much time and plat into it, bit of a contradiction i must say

Sounds like a Freudian slip to me The Stout One is "cheaper" to build and gets "uber" faster because he doesnt need to wait around for just the right weapon. He can use a Maul of Whatever very effectively because he's getting bonuses for a maul being bludgeoning AND a 2 hander. So a greater bane maul is almost as effective in my hands as a great axe. The bulk of my money is spent buying better greater banes off of the House D elite vendor or the AH. But whats nice, is if the Great Axe is too much, a Maul might suffice and be much cheaper. To me, I spent a LOT of time playing DDO and a lot of plat buying just the right weapons for the Stout One. Early on, its much cheaper to outfit this toon than most others because he's double specced. Even now, I can save money going with a maul or other weapon type. As you level your toon, just save up and spend what you can. Sure money is a lot easier to come by now, but you cant always buy... you need to buy and sell... then you'll have enough change for your uber weapons when they pop up.

In closing, I don't want to get into a 'ween war. The reason I'm effective is because I've spent a lot of time and plat to make him good. I have the right weapon for almost every job. I am a gamer at heart, so Im fast thinking and fast acting, and that helps with my builds. I'm also building with a realistic outlook. I want to make sure I can outfit him with what he needs right away, I dont want to have to wait forever because Im counting on pulling a +3 tome. I want to be uber NOW. Most of my builds are built around my playstyle and have realistic goals. They are achievable. Thats what makes me competitive and in many cases gives me that edge I crave for

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

eaten by cube

If I respond to this, no doubt I will get infraction points... its a given.

Told you I will not get into a ween war.... Ive got nothing to prove to you. I'm happy with my build, so is everyone I play with, and I feel he's ready for MOD 6. This game is fun and I've got too much respect for it to resort to calling a fellow player a fool.

Oh one thing... dissin' an entire server is a bit ridiculous don't ya think. Bloodstones sell for 5 million gold minimum on Ghallanda... so I know for a fact you are short changing yourself...

Now you can show yourself to the door.

[reziel_deadshot]

This game is fun and I've got too much respect for it to resort to calling a fellow player a fool.

Oh one thing... dissin' an entire server is a bit ridiculous don't ya think. Bloodstones sell for 5 million gold minimum on Ghallanda... so I know for a fact you are short changing yourself...

Now you can show yourself to the door.

calling someone a fool is not an insult, i call everyone fools, mainly because i played with these 3 asian friends of mine and all the one ever said was foo so i made it original and added a "L"

i was not dissing a server i simply said that the original server you came from which you said was ghallanda might have been more poor then the other servers if you have merely "ONE" person that loots all the tomes, because i came from lhazaar originally and there has always been a lot of tomes on the server and plenty of people with max plat and all the people i know did not buy it.

and 5million gold is 500k plat silly, i said 1.1 million plat...err second thought i might have said 1.1k but honestly...you should have realized i meant plat it is kind of obvious.

as for the door....i prefer the window

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

calling someone a fool is not an insult, i call everyone fools, mainly because i played with these 3 asian friends of mine and all the one ever said was foo so i made it original and added a "L"

i was not dissing a server i simply said that the original server you came from which you said was ghallanda might have been more poor then the other servers if you have merely "ONE" person that loots all the tomes, because i came from lhazaar originally and there has always been a lot of tomes on the server and plenty of people with max plat and all the people i know did not buy it.

and 5million gold is 500k plat silly, i said 1.1 million plat...err second thought i might have said 1.1k but honestly...you should have realized i meant plat it is kind of obvious.

as for the door....i prefer the window

Ghallanda is nowhere near poor. Lhazaar and Fernia have been great additions as well. Not getting into a guild vs guild ween war either. Im in the largest guild in the game (if not its awfully close), the OTG, Old Timers Guild. We do quite well thank you.

Oh I have a specially prepared window for ya... closed... that would work fine I guess.... freshly insulated with a can of Fire Shield (Fire Version), for those blistery cold evenings in the north east (US). Would you prefer head or feet first......

The Stout one puts down his cup of Jo, stands up, walks away from fireplace... /swallow marshmallow /belch... /stares at window with anticipation /grinch grin

Nobody likes entertaining squable more than I, but lets get back to build comments, please.

[query]

I rarely got +1 tomes let alone +2 except one from my 1750. I run the raids, etc, but I don't get 'em. Not everybody is lucky enough to get +2 tomes let alone +3! nd I only have about 5.4 mil in gold, so buying is not a good option when it's much higher.

(Cerulean hears some sages talking and joins in: )
Fleshies are too vunerable. We arcane forged take care of ourselves just fine, especially when evasion is added in. However, I will attest to the most remarkable carnage my Drow Bard friend told me about a halfling Barbarian. They seem to be small, but unstoppable killing machines of Greater Carnage.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

my Drow Bard friend told me about a halfling Barbarian. They seem to be small, but unstoppable killing machines of Greater Carnage.

Hey Query. Yea, the number of tomes you pull is basically what the large majority of DDOdom pull... thats just being realistic.

Now, as for your halfling barbarian choice.. I offer Warcry.com's definition of a halfling barbarian... think all will find it a good read...

Halflings: Definitely a comedy option...although their good agility and the difficulty of hitting them may make for a good defensive-minded barbarian. Those agility checks will keep you from getting knocked over by gales of laughter in response to "Halfling Barbarian LFG!" Through careful application of SCIENCE, we have determined the female Halfling barbarian provides ultimate hilarity. You tend to discover traps with your face. You're going to be useless as a spellcaster and, if you don't stock up on good potions or have friends, magic/casters will eat you alive. If you charge off on your own too many times, your healers will grow to hate you.

Sorry, couldnt stop laughing when I read that ... needed to post!

Seriously though... I'd like to see what your halfling can do when he's maxed. I'm guessing you are a thrower? Id like to see you post that build, in a new thread of course (so peeps can find it). There are so few good halfling builds available...