Weapons with Finesse property don't work

[Qzipoun]

I haven't see any mention of this anywhere but it seems that weapons with the "Finesse" property don't actually give you weapon finesse, making the property rather useless.

I have tested it on several characters and equipping a finesse weapon does not use your dex bonus for to-hit (still uses str). Has anyone gotten them to work properly?

I will bug report this in-game too.

[mcpeakj]

I was thinkin the same thing the other day when using the Oxyhorn I think it was.

[Nevthial]

It was posted somewhere (if I remember correctly) , that the finesse only works with that particular weapon which has the designator. Personally though, I couldn't get it to work myself either. Maybe it is still bugged.

[Glenalth]

I've bug reported it in the past with Onyxhorn.

[Lithic]

They only use your dex bonus if it is currently higher than your str bonus. Which leads to 2 situations:

1) Your str bonus is higher than your dex bonus: Weapon finesse useless, use something better

2) Your Dex bonus is higher than your Str bonus:
2a) You never melee (Ex: Pure caster): What the fudge do you care about finesse weapons anyway?
2b) You often/always melee (Ex: Dex-based rogue): Why don't you have the feat? Its worth it.
Go get it. Now. I mean it. NOW! Ok, now that you have the feat, throw away any weapon finesse weapons
as they really can't compare to any half-decent vendor-fodder finessable weapon. +2 holy of PG is like 20k in
the AH.

[GHOSTRYDER]

are you just looking in your inventory panel? or are you actually watching the die rolls? it may be a case such as a greater bane or righteousness weapon where the extra plus doesnt show up anywhere but in the die rolls themselves... check that out first to make sure that isnt the case

[Lorien_the_First_One]

You may be using a weapon that has "Finesse" but not the "Finesse Feat". There are a lot of "Finesse" weapons out there and all that means is the weapon is finessable if you have the feat, even if the weapon is not normally finessable (ie - a heavy mace)

[Qzipoun]

They only use your dex bonus if it is currently higher than your str bonus. Which leads to 2 situations:

1) Your str bonus is higher than your dex bonus: Weapon finesse useless, use something better

2) Your Dex bonus is higher than your Str bonus:
2a) You never melee (Ex: Pure caster): What the fudge do you care about finesse weapons anyway?
2b) You often/always melee (Ex: Dex-based rogue): Why don't you have the feat? Its worth it.
Go get it. Now. I mean it. NOW! Ok, now that you have the feat, throw away any weapon finesse weapons
as they really can't compare to any half-decent vendor-fodder finessable weapon. +2 holy of PG is like 20k in
the AH.

Well you're taking a VERY "typical" view on things. I know of many different builds that do not have the weapon finesse feat and would love to have weapon finesse on weapons. Just because YOU don't see a use for them doesn't make it ok for them to be bugged. Yes, having the feat will be good for everyone, but not all builds can afford the extra feat, especially the multiclass ones that need several key feats already.

are you just looking in your inventory panel? or are you actually watching the die rolls? it may be a case such as a greater bane or righteousness weapon where the extra plus doesnt show up anywhere but in the die rolls themselves... check that out first to make sure that isnt the case

I thought of that, checked both, seems it is not a display bug only

You may be using a weapon that has "Finesse" but not the "Finesse Feat". There are a lot of "Finesse" weapons out there and all that means is the weapon is finessable if you have the feat, even if the weapon is not normally finessable (ie - a heavy mace)

No. I'm using a weapon with the finesse property (ie feat granted), that is finessable on a character that does not have weapon finesse (exactly as they are supposed to be used).

[RemoJr]

I've noticed this too. My wiz grabed a finesse weapon, but according to the math he's still using his str (which is much lower then his dex).

[Lorien_the_First_One]

No. I'm using a weapon with the finesse property (ie feat granted), that is finessable on a character that does not have weapon finesse (exactly as they are supposed to be used).

You keep saying "finesse property"... does the actual description for that property when you examine the item say "grants the finesse feat"?

[Swordalot]

You keep saying "finesse property"... does the actual description for that property when you examine the item say "grants the finesse feat"?

[Mad_Bombardier]

Yes, the weapon description still lists to-hit bonus from STR. That is a display bug. But your inventory panel and rolls should be using DEX for to-hit if your DEX is higher. Remember that with Weapon Finesse, you still use STR for damage.

[xberto]

I dropped finesse on my Archer Ranger and duel wielded the Axe of the Unseen Blow and found I did get the to-hit bonus for each weapon (around +32 to +42 based on combat log), however the inventory panel did not display proper bonus (+23). I switched one of the weapons out for a +4 dagger and i only saw bonuses of +22 and +27.

My conclusion is that the inventory display is definitly bugged and it appears that only the weapon granting the Finesse feat, gets the bonus.

[Borror0]

While we're at it.. Dragon.Star still needs a screenshot for Oxyhorn. If anyone wouldn't mind taking one and posting it on his thread or PMing it to him, it'd be appreciated. Thank you.

[Aspenor]

Why on earth would you use a weapon with finesse on it anyway? I mean....such a waste of a prefix....

[xberto]

Why on earth would you use a weapon with finesse on it anyway? I mean....such a waste of a prefix....

If you must know, I am preparing my Archer Ranger for the upcoming Mod where she'll be focusing more on Ranged combat more than ever before. I don't have room for finesse, as a feat, so a finesse weapon would really come in handy.

[Qzipoun]

Why on earth would you use a weapon with finesse on it anyway? I mean....such a waste of a prefix....

Yeah, it's such a waste to have weapon finesse on a character that is tight on feats! </sarcasm>

It's interesting that people are saying this is a display bug only, i'll definitely give it another try, I was pretty sure even dice rolls were off.

[Swordalot]

While we're at it.. Dragon.Star still needs a screenshot for Oxyhorn. If anyone wouldn't mind taking one and posting it on his thread or PMing it to him, it'd be appreciated. Thank you.

My picture of the finesse property was cut from Onyxhorn via the AH.

Just so's you know.

[Racolus]

Naw, it is not a display bug, it has been there since I join this game, and no one cares about it. (yep I did make several ingame bug report along with posting it on forum.)

Simply put, finesse weapon is not giving you the 'finesse feat' when you wield it, instead, that particular weapon is 'finesse-ing' when you use it.

Yep, it is contary to the description ingame.

Yep, it means if you wanna 'finesse' with both hands, without the feat yourself, simply thru the weapon, you have to wield 2 weapon with finessable prefix.

Now that is a real waste of prefix.

[Gadget2775]

I just tested this on my Franken-Bard (10 Bard/2 Ranger/2 Rogue).

Str 14/Dex 26. He does NOT have the feat weapons finesse (He's a backlines bow user)

Dice shows a +19 on first attack with a +5 non-finesse weapon. (Dreamspitter)
Dice shows a +25 on first attack with a +5 finesse weapon (Axe of Unseen Blow)

Dice shows a +15 on first attack with a +1 non-finesse weapon (Staff of the Seer)
Dice shows a +21 on first attack with a +1 finesse weapon (+1 Finesse Light Hammer of Pure Good)

Yes, I swung. Let the animation reset. Swung again. Multiple times. With each weapon.

Inventory display is incorrect. If you're having problems with a Finesse weapon functioning properly you might want to bug report the specific weapon.

If you choose to dual wield (which I occasionally do cause it's just fun) both weapons need to have the Finesse prefix. Not something that makes me supper happy. Can't have everything though **NOW GIVE ME EVERYTHING OR ELSE I WILL SMASH YOUR PUNY PLANET**