Tank Vrs. Tank Death Match!

[Dimz]

I Noticed that theres no PVP thread for tanks. So I figured I would start my own. I am currently hosting challenges against tanks around my level in 1 vrs. 1 Death Match Arena fights. I play for plat,items, or fun! I will try to post screen shots and/or videos of the matches! I will keep my results up to date also. I will accept challenges via my LFM or PM from forums to arrange times.

Current Odds/Payouts in plat: (Straight classes,other mixes listed)
Fighter: I pay 3x your bet.
Pally: I pay the same ammount.
Ranger: I pay the same ammount.
Barbarian:I pay 2x your bet.
Rouge: I pay 3x your bet.
Batman: I pay the same ammount.
Battle Clerics/Casters/Bard: I pay the same ammount.


Item bets are available we both can arrange a item for item bet. Example: Vorpal Kukri for Vorpal Handaxe, +6 charisma helm for +6 Wisdom helm. Both you and I have to agree on the bet though.


Current Level Range:11-14
Current Classes: Barbarian,Rogue,Ranger,Fighter,and ofcourse Pallies!
NEW: Fighting Melee Bards and Clerics.


RULES:
The arena isn't like the pit. No food or anything. But here are some other common rules that are going to placed in my matches. Any rules broken will end in a disqualified match and no plat/items/etc will be given or offered for cheating.

1) All players must use melee combat. I am not going to chase you around for 10 mins. Chopping you down slowly. Thats a waste of my haste pots and other resources, its also annoying. Basically NO ranged combat.

2) No debuffs in the form of: Enervation Scrolls, Dispel Magic clicky or spell.

3) All stat damaging weapons are okay as well as epics: Vorpal,Smiting, or Paralyzing!

4)NO LIMBCHOPPER!

5) All build self healing is okay. Dragonmarks, LOH, Cure Spells. Also Cure Pots are okay. Just don't get carried away with running.



That is all for now! I will update with any rule changes etc.

Thanks,
Val

[Dimz]

This part is for fights before this post. Just random challengers I had at previous levels.

Valkary - 6 Level 10
Cordura,FpoonJr - 0 Both Level 9

Valkary - 3 Level 10
Ivilll - 0 Level 11

Valkary - 2 Level 10
Oat - 0 Level 9

Valkary - 1 Level 10
Ivill - 2 Level 11

Valkary - 10 Level 11
Bornwinter - 0 Level 11

Valkary - 4 Level 12
Fawzia - 1 Level 12

Valkary - 2 Level 12
Catharine - 0 Level 13
^--She refused to pay.. 5k plat

Valkary - 5 Level 12
Marrik - 0 Level 13






This part is saved for match results and videos/picture links!

Valkary (Level 12) Vrs. Marrik (Level 11 Fighter)
I killed him 5 times.
Picture
Video

Valkary (Level 13) Vrs. Tukaa (Level 14 Bard)
I killed him 4 times, he killed me once.
Video
Bet: 5,000 Plat

Valkary (Level 14) Vrs. Infidel (Level 14 Ranger)
I killed him 7 times. He killed me once.
Video


More to Come...

[Lo_Pan]

The rules invalidate my desire to participate...what's the fun of making a build that can self-heal if you won't allow us to use the feature of the build? Are you going to disallow power attack as well? How about combat expertise? Is that also not allowed? It looks like u want ur cake and be able to eat it too.

[Shade]

Yea I pvp with my barbarian who has very limited to no self healing vs paladins with major LoH ability all the time and do just fine.. The healing class types get less DPS so there balanced in that respect. Heal scrolls only work every 6 seconds, and any good melee should be able to deal more then the 110-140 dmg that a heal scroll heals for in 6 seconds anyways.

No reason to impose any rules aside from the enervate scrolls since they really change the flow of a battle from melee focused to dodge/jump/hide and scroll tactics.

Tho I also hate dispell magic, it is a valid tactic since its just a quick cast then back to melee'ing.

[CobraChaos]

Ill take my rogue in deathmatch i hardly see any in PvP as it is I;m not that good though so tajke it easy on me

[Dimz]

Yea I pvp with my barbarian who has very limited to no self healing vs paladins with major LoH ability all the time and do just fine.. The healing class types get less DPS so there balanced in that respect. Heal scrolls only work every 6 seconds, and any good melee should be able to deal more then the 110-140 dmg that a heal scroll heals for in 6 seconds anyways.

No reason to impose any rules aside from the enervate scrolls since they really change the flow of a battle from melee focused to dodge/jump/hide and scroll tactics.

Tho I also hate dispell magic, it is a valid tactic since its just a quick cast then back to melee'ing.

the problem i see with dispel is that in the death match, you regain that much sp quickly to cast another dispel. Whats the point of chasing someone jumping around dispelling. As for heal scrolls, same thing whats the point in chasing someone casting heal scrolls. I am level 12 right now and a batman build, I am going to abide by my own rules too, I can cast heal scrolls,dispels, and all that good stuff but i am not, in most cases even in the pit people would call that cheap.

[Dimz]

The rules invalidate my desire to participate...what's the fun of making a build that can self-heal if you won't allow us to use the feature of the build? Are you going to disallow power attack as well? How about combat expertise? Is that also not allowed? It looks like u want ur cake and be able to eat it too.

As I said before. You can self heal. LOH and Dragonmarks. You can easily carry 100's of pots/wands and run around like crazy and make the 10 minute match pointless. I am not here to do that. I am going to use my own build to beat your build. I am not here to waste time chasing you. I have already fought someone, who i am not gonna name who broke my rules. It was a ranger level 12 or 13 that jumped around like crazy, at the beginnning of the match i told her that it was strictly melee and that if she was going to jump around the match was void and she had to pay me.. well the "fight" persued even though the obvious was broken, and I beat her anyway 2 to 0. She refused to pay the stupid 5k plat.

[Dimz]

Ill take my rogue in deathmatch i hardly see any in PvP as it is I;m not that good though so tajke it easy on me

Thank you wicked someone who admires the non-cheap ruleset. Okay bro, well im level 12 now and currently only fighting 11-13's. Once i get caught up on lootage and leveled up I will move up the cap to 11-14. So be awaiting my future challange bro!

Val

[Barik]

Bring it!! lol i'll fight ya with minimulli....easy on him tho :P

[Dimz]

Added two new fights with their videos!

[deathtouch]

Ha I see you only lasted 7 seconds with Ducker the Pally... oh wait..... it was me who only lasted 7 seconds well done you kicked my butt I would say down one side and up the other but that would be a lie, you hit me and I hit the floor

Well done!

[Dimz]

Ha I see you only lasted 7 seconds with Ducker the Pally... oh wait..... it was me who only lasted 7 seconds well done you kicked my butt I would say down one side and up the other but that would be a lie, you hit me and I hit the floor

Well done!

haha thakns was fun i thought u were gonna try out ur fighter?

[Strakeln]

I dunno Dimz, looks like the rules are tilted a bit in your favor.

Here's three examples:
1) Other clickies are okay, such as, Ray of enfeeblement, or any other ray that doesn't cause negative levels or loss of buffs. A simple Lesser Restoration potion can fix the lower level rays.
So you can't use anything that would be "difficult" to remove. Try using a "simple Lesser Restoration" on a barbarian sometime. Yes, it's possible... but you have to dismiss rage, lesser restore, wait for rage timer, re-rage.
2) All self buffs are OK! No scrolls allowed though. A batman can easily run around whipping heal scrolls. Also no wands/potion usage. The following wands and potions can be used: Resist Energy Wand, Haste Potions, Lesser Restoration Potions/Wand, Rage Potions, Bless/Aid Potions, Barkskin Potions.
So you can use your resist energy wand, but others can't use their resist/pro energy pots? You get to LoH, but anyone w/o pally levels can't drink a cure pot?
3) All players must use melee combat. I am not going to chase you around for 10 mins. Chopping you down slowly. Thats a waste of my haste pots and other resources, its also annoying.
So characters with spring attack and AoE attacks like cleave/great cleave/whirlwind don't get to use the strength of their build?

You should take a look at the rules that the Hand of the Black Tower folks used for their PvP event. They removed things that were truly unfair (like limbchopper - has effects that last beyond death) but pretty much let everything else ride. To mitigate/avoid chasing around, they limited combat to the top area of the arena. The combat was fun, intense, and fair.

I guess I'm of the "run what you brung" school... too many years of people trying to tilt race odds in their favor... "well, if you turn off your nitrous and start your car facing the wrong direction with the parking brake on the entire run, sure I'll bet 10k against you". There usually has to be an exception or two (limbchopper, or the guy with a rocket engine on the back of his car).

[Dimz]

I dunno Dimz, looks like the rules are tilted a bit in your favor.

Here's three examples:
1) Other clickies are okay, such as, Ray of enfeeblement, or any other ray that doesn't cause negative levels or loss of buffs. A simple Lesser Restoration potion can fix the lower level rays.
So you can't use anything that would be "difficult" to remove. Try using a "simple Lesser Restoration" on a barbarian sometime. Yes, it's possible... but you have to dismiss rage, lesser restore, wait for rage timer, re-rage.
2) All self buffs are OK! No scrolls allowed though. A batman can easily run around whipping heal scrolls. Also no wands/potion usage. The following wands and potions can be used: Resist Energy Wand, Haste Potions, Lesser Restoration Potions/Wand, Rage Potions, Bless/Aid Potions, Barkskin Potions.
So you can use your resist energy wand, but others can't use their resist/pro energy pots? You get to LoH, but anyone w/o pally levels can't drink a cure pot?
3) All players must use melee combat. I am not going to chase you around for 10 mins. Chopping you down slowly. Thats a waste of my haste pots and other resources, its also annoying.
So characters with spring attack and AoE attacks like cleave/great cleave/whirlwind don't get to use the strength of their build?

You should take a look at the rules that the Hand of the Black Tower folks used for their PvP event. They removed things that were truly unfair (like limbchopper - has effects that last beyond death) but pretty much let everything else ride. To mitigate/avoid chasing around, they limited combat to the top area of the arena. The combat was fun, intense, and fair.

I guess I'm of the "run what you brung" school... too many years of people trying to tilt race odds in their favor... "well, if you turn off your nitrous and start your car facing the wrong direction with the parking brake on the entire run, sure I'll bet 10k against you". There usually has to be an exception or two (limbchopper, or the guy with a rocket engine on the back of his car).

1. Okay I see where your going with this.. I wanted to post this to get ideas. This rule shal be changed.

2. This is going to be changed as well.. You can use resist and prot potions now. Totally forget to mention those ^.^

3. I dont mean u cant use cleave and stuff.. I was pointing this more towards rangers jumping around and running away ranging. Those **** rangers dont ever stop moving, Specially the elven ones!


Also Limbchopper is going to have to be removed didn't think about that demon weapon. Thanks for all the feedback!

Val

[Dimz]

Rules Updated thanks for the suggestions!

[reziel_deadshot]

3. I dont mean u cant use cleave and stuff.. I was pointing this more towards rangers jumping around and running away ranging. Those **** rangers dont ever stop moving, Specially the elven ones!


Val

i am not on khyber server bu seems like u make the main feature and want to be a ranger well, useless, multi + bow strength? i mean shooting 3 arrows at one time is the main reason everyone picks being a ranger, whats the point in doing so? just haste, trip, slaughter or get a crippling scim/kukri of slow burst (always fun). just seems as if u make a ranger seem pointless to pvp with when thats why people build them.

[Dimz]

i am not on khyber server bu seems like u make the main feature and want to be a ranger well, useless, multi + bow strength? i mean shooting 3 arrows at one time is the main reason everyone picks being a ranger, whats the point in doing so? just haste, trip, slaughter or get a crippling scim/kukri of slow burst (always fun). just seems as if u make a ranger seem pointless to pvp with when thats why people build them.

Haha who told you aobut this...? I have seen MEAN melee rangers. If you come to khyber and see a 13ranger/1fighter with Sword of Shadows you better run!

[Strakeln]

I still think you need to clarify healing.

What about a melee battlecleric? Can they use heal?

If they can't use heal, can Palladins use LoH? What about Unyielding Soverignity?

Why no pots or scrolls? Use of them while PvPing opens the person up to attack (during the animation, plus during item swaps).

[Dimz]

I still think you need to clarify healing.

What about a melee battlecleric? Can they use heal?

If they can't use heal, can Palladins use LoH? What about Unyielding Soverignity?

Why no pots or scrolls? Use of them while PvPing opens the person up to attack (during the animation, plus during item swaps).

Will clarify healing but.. I was already in a fight with someone who ran away.. pretty well at that, chugging pots took me about 3 to 4 mins to catch up. Thats just too boring to me. So far theres been 3 fights with pure tanks that did that. I dont hve 300% striders to catch these people.. The haste pot and all still made it hard to catch a runner with haste and potion chugging.

[Strakeln]

Will clarify healing but.. I was already in a fight with someone who ran away.. pretty well at that, chugging pots took me about 3 to 4 mins to catch up. Thats just too boring to me. So far theres been 3 fights with pure tanks that did that. I dont hve 300% striders to catch these people.. The haste pot and all still made it hard to catch a runner with haste and potion chugging.

So contain the fighting to an area where running around is not so beneficial. Like the top platform of the arena. So if they run around drinking pots, they must do so in a rather constrained area.

Or ban all healing, period. Letting one class use their strengths (Pally LoH is a great example) but not letting others use theirs (batman can heal scroll) is, well, pretty weak.