New Rogue Character

[Llarish]

Hi there folks. Hope all are doing well. I've been toying around with some character concepts, and think that what I am currently missing out of my character options is a rogue type. So I figured that I should roll one up, so I have been flipping through the forums and thinking about choices. Figured I might as well run my ideas by you guys and see what you think.

I'm looking at rolling human, the Con not being modded down is a nice part of it as well as the Charisma not being modded down. I looked at the other 5 races but human seemed to fit the best. I'm not surgically attached to it, but middle of the road seemed like a good place to be.

Starting Stats that was looking at were -
Str 9
Dex 15
Con 14
Int 15
Wis 9
Cha 15

Obviously I'm planning on soaking a lot of tomes to bring those numbers up to evens.

What I have planned is 2 Paladin/12 Rogue. The feats I'm looking at are the TWF line, Quick Draw, Weapon Finesse, Improved Crit, Skill Focus UMD, and Toughness. My back burner feat ideas are for the SFs to help rogue skills if I find myself lacking as well as Nimble Fingers. Primary feats are one over allowed max, so need to cut something there.

Thoughts are appreciated and welcomed. Happy holidays to all.
Llarish

[Impaqt]

I would never recomend Quickdraw until you simply dont have any more feats to take.

I also feel the CHR is too high and Dex toolow for a Finesse character. You lose a Racial +1 Dex bonus and you have n Weapon use Enhancments at all (Well, except for HV Boost.... WHich can be used better in other areas)

Humans can still be good rogues, but really can use the extra 4 build points to make it worthwhile.... Drow is a far superior choice if you have that option for a finesse rogue.

I'd much rather go STR based on a Human.

[GuitarHero]

Elves are also a solid choice for elves, in addition to Impaqt's tips. Its rare i find so little to disagree about a rogue build, but Impaqt is pretty dead on with his advice. With the additional advantage of having a line of weapon enhancements for rapier, an elven rogue can easily hold his own in combat, even a meer 28 point build one. They have all the same search/spot enhancements a drow has, of course, and the dex bonus is a major boon. With a human, you miss out on an entire line of search enhancements over elf/drow. And that free bow proficiency lets you stand out of the fray when the situation calls for it.

[Shamguard]

Hi there folks. Hope all are doing well. I've been toying around with some character concepts, and think that what I am currently missing out of my character options is a rogue type. So I figured that I should roll one up, so I have been flipping through the forums and thinking about choices. Figured I might as well run my ideas by you guys and see what you think.

I'm looking at rolling human, the Con not being modded down is a nice part of it as well as the Charisma not being modded down. I looked at the other 5 races but human seemed to fit the best. I'm not surgically attached to it, but middle of the road seemed like a good place to be.

Starting Stats that was looking at were -
Str 9
Dex 15
Con 14
Int 15
Wis 9
Cha 15

Obviously I'm planning on soaking a lot of tomes to bring those numbers up to evens.

What I have planned is 2 Paladin/12 Rogue. The feats I'm looking at are the TWF line, Quick Draw, Weapon Finesse, Improved Crit, Skill Focus UMD, and Toughness. My back burner feat ideas are for the SFs to help rogue skills if I find myself lacking as well as Nimble Fingers. Primary feats are one over allowed max, so need to cut something there.

Thoughts are appreciated and welcomed. Happy holidays to all.
Llarish

Personaly I'm a big fan of 3 levels of Paladin for the Fear and Disease Immunities. Plus I belive that's what opens up the enhancement for the 2nd LOH also. I'd also look at starting the build with an even INT as that is when you get your most skill points. ((8+INT Bonus) x 4)

I did my Paladin/Rogue with a Drow, but depending upon what you are going for a 32 point Human can be just as good. Just those Elf/Drow Search and Spot Enahncements look so nice.

[ArkoHighStar]

the best rogue/paladin right now is halfing due to the incredible saves that can be made with one as you get bonuses to all saves with enhancements. I agree chr is too high and dex is too low at least 18 dex and 14 chr max 13 if you have a tome.

[Shamguard]

Elves are also a solid choice for elves, in addition to Impaqt's tips. Its rare i find so little to disagree about a rogue build, but Impaqt is pretty dead on with his advice. With the additional advantage of having a line of weapon enhancements for rapier, an elven rogue can easily hold his own in combat, even a meer 28 point build one. They have all the same search/spot enhancements a drow has, of course, and the dex bonus is a major boon. With a human, you miss out on an entire line of search enhancements over elf/drow. And that free bow proficiency lets you stand out of the fray when the situation calls for it.

Elves are a good choice for an elf build, but for a rogue build I personaly like drow better.

The race tradeoffs for this build are Ability score and enhancemts vs extra feat and skill point/level. The free bow proficiency is not a factor since as a Paladin he'll get this anyway.

Elf gets a +2 to dex but also the -2 to con. Drow gets +2 dex, +2 int, +2 cha, and -2 con. When it comes down to the ability build 32 point elf vs 28 point drow depending upon where you put your points it's a wash in most cases. The elves also get a racial bonus to search.
Both Elf and Drow get the spot and search enhancement lines along with a dex enhancement. (So you can get up to a +5 dex with just enhancements)

Human gets no ability adjustment, but gets a bonus first level feat, plus an extra skill point/level. You get to choose two abilities to use enhancemnts for, just not the same ability twice. (So you can only get up to a +4 dex with just enhancements)

Other than these few things the human vs elf vs drow choice is flavor items: dragonmarks, play style, ect.

No race is going to give you an unplayable character, just each race will be better in a different ways.

[Dariun]

For a rogue/paladin, it's hard to not go with drow. Extra dex/int/cha and search/spot bonuses. Very nice.

I don't think you're CHA is too high. Rogue will saves stink, so getting +5 or more to saves is really great (I have a drow rogue/paladin with SF:UMD and with 16 base CHA -- I've never once thought "oh, I wish I had a lower CHA!").

If you go drow and live with a 12 or 13 CON, you'll have more points to spread around.