Planning for Level 16 with a Paladin Build

[Cashiry]

* - One Important Reminder on Cleave & Great Cleave - Cleave & Great Cleave attacks are a 360-degree attack (or nearly so), and allow all additional damages & effects to go off on the weapon on *ALL* hits (This includes Holy, Elemental, Anarchic, Pure Good, Vorpal, Disruption, Paralyzing, Smiting, etc). It also appears to have a larger radius of attack than a normal 1-handed or 2-handed weapon strike. This is a great way to increase DPS, maintain or grab aggro, and especially great for On-Hit effects like Paralyzing or Disruption!

Hey Dworkin, Just want to make sure you are thinking about of the right feat/s above. I could be mistaken here but I thought the following feats did the following:

Cleave:An ability to attack one or more enemies in a 90 degree arc in front of you.
Prerequisite: Power Attack

Great Cleave: An ability to attack one or more enemies in a wide 180 degree arc in front of you.
Prerequisite: Base Attack Bonus +4, Cleave

I believe the 360 Degree attack that your thinking about is:

Whirlwind Attack: An ability to attack all enemies in a 360 degree arc around you.
Prerequisite: Base Attack Bonus +4, Spring Attack, Combat Expertise

Anyways if I'm wrong, I apologize...

Cash

[Dworkin_of_Amber]

Hey Dworkin, Just want to make sure you are thinking about of the right feat/s above. I could be mistaken here but I thought the following feats did the following:

Cleave:An ability to attack one or more enemies in a 90 degree arc in front of you.
Prerequisite: Power Attack

Great Cleave: An ability to attack one or more enemies in a wide 180 degree arc in front of you.
Prerequisite: Base Attack Bonus +4, Cleave

I believe the 360 Degree attack that your thinking about is:

Whirlwind Attack: An ability to attack all enemies in a 360 degree arc around you.
Prerequisite: Base Attack Bonus +4, Spring Attack, Combat Expertise

Anyways if I'm wrong, I apologize...

Cash

You are correct... I must have had a Brain Fart that day... but Cleave & Great Cleave do give all Weapon Effects on the hits... so I still like it!

[Slayer918]

I think its more like cleave is 180ish degrees and greatcleave is something like 320...(been a while since I've had em though)

and whirlwind is (or atleast it was) 360 degrees

[Xaymaca]

My Pure Paladin (14) was plain vanilla out of the box. He was my very first character (started playing on day one), and I even took the feat Iron Will upon character creation (silly me). I traded it for Stunning Blow once we could change feats.

I'm posting about will saves and the need to take enhancements/equipment to boost will saves. There is no need. I only ever fail a will save when I roll a "1". Open up your slots and free them from Wisdom boosting items. You just don't need them.

[Jondallar]

My Pure Paladin (14) was plain vanilla out of the box. He was my very first character (started playing on day one), and I even took the feat Iron Will upon character creation (silly me). I traded it for Stunning Blow once we could change feats.

I'm posting about will saves and the need to take enhancements/equipment to boost will saves. There is no need. I only ever fail a will save when I roll a "1". Open up your slots and free them from Wisdom boosting items. You just don't need them.

That may be true...but please give your numbers/gear so we can see for ourselves

[bandyman1]

That may be true...but please give your numbers/gear so we can see for ourselves

Humm. Well, my pally uses a wisdom item, for the extra spell points, and the ability to cast her higher level spells ( her base Wis is 12 with the +1 tome I used ). That said though, I have a 16 base will save. Add in my Kardin's eye for a 21, GH from girds for 25, and an elves innate +2 vs enchantments ( which is basiclly everything you're worried about your will save for to begin with ), and she's sitting at + 27. So, I really don't need the extra +5 I'd be getting from the feat for her 26 Cha., because I'm pretty much only ever failing on a 1.

[Jondallar]

Humm. Well, my pally uses a wisdom item, for the extra spell points, and the ability to cast her higher level spells ( her base Wis is 12 with the +1 tome I used ). That said though, I have a 16 base will save. Add in my Kardin's eye for a 21, GH from girds for 25, and an elves innate +2 vs enchantments ( which is basiclly everything you're worried about your will save for to begin with ), and she's sitting at + 27. So, I really don't need the extra +5 I'd be getting from the feat for her 26 Cha., because I'm pretty much only ever failing on a 1.

was more intersted in the freeing of slots from wisdom items.. as I have done, intracate optics and globe of imperial blood get each of my pally's up to 14 wisdom. But I was hoping for saves numbers. To say I only fail on a 1 is fine, but having actual test data is nice... as in beholders cast______ on elite and I make my save rolling a 2 ect.