Permadeath guild

[LOUDRampart]

Is anyone running a Permadeath guild? I'm getting more interested in this as time goes by...

[Kindoki]

I don't believe there are many pure permadeath guilds on Khyber. Alistair (on the forums) and I have been discussing the possibility of creating a permadeath group as part of DWG, though our schedules have not meshed well this past month. However, I would anticipate that we will have this all sorted by the holidays.

[Hafeal]

I have really been interested in trying a perma-death experience myself. I have, this week, convinced 3 friends to give it a go on Khyber (or another server if we want to avoid the temptation of twinking).

We are going to meet on-line tonight to cover the ground rules and set a regular play schedule.

If you are interested, let me know!

[Citymorg]

In an ongoing attempt to meet the needs of players on Khyber, Kindoki and I have been discussing the possibility of creating a Permadeath Guard within our guild. We are still hammering out details like how and when. If either he or I are not able to attend tonight, please keep us infomed on what is going on.

[Azoralq]

Me me me me me

[LOUDRampart]

It looks like last August someone tried. I don't know if they are still around. Here is a link:

http://highcouncilguild.info/index.php?topic=32.0

[Amabel]

Kindoki and I have been trying to meet in game for a chat, but it's proved a little difficult given the time differences (I'm in Australia). I'm 16 hours in front of US EST at the moment...

However, it is encouraging that people are interested and ultimately it will be good to have participants from different servers.

Kindoki has the infrastructure and know how to host a guild already so I am keen to take advantage of that. Kindoki - why don't you choose a time for interested participants to meet in the Wavecrest with their newby characters. I'll do my best to make it (even if it means losing a little sleep).

I reckon the sooner we start this the better, as there seems to be a bit of a groundswell at the moment. Once we get up and running I'm hopeful that we'll get enough players to have groups at both peak and off-peak times.

Just a quick poll - what time zone are people in and what time is good to meet for all those interested? First in with suggestions are likely to set the agenda.

And think about the ruleset people want. The original proposition was:

Basic no twinking, PD set-up.

1. Must be level one to join.
2. Strictly NO twinking.
3. If your character dies it must leave the guild (or be deleted) unless you are ressed in the adventure by a member of the party who was in the adventure when you died.
4. Rest shrines are allowed, but not res shrines.
5. If your character dies, you may pass on one item to another of your characters as an "heirloom".
6. If they can recover your stone, surviving party members may loot one item each (or stack of items) from your corpse, only if you choose to permit it. (It's like being an organ donor.)
7. No use of the auction house.
8. Don't exit and then re-enter a quest unless it has reset (unless a group mate gets into trouble after you've left, in which case you may go back in to help).
9. No grouping except with guild or with a member of another stict PD, non-twinking guild member with similar rules to ours.
10. Gifts or trades of any sort from characters outside the guild are prohibited.
11. You may run whatever quests you like and repeat them if you like, but diversity is encouraged.
12. Have fun, enjoy the content, don't spoil surprises for others, role-play is encouraged.

Alistair

[Hafeal]

I have a group of 4 interested in permadeath.

We plan to meet with level 1s on Friday, 12/7 at 10 p.m. U.S., CST . (right now we have planned a 4 man of a fighter, bard/rogue, sorc, cleric .. but more players would open up opps).

We would love to have at least 3 more. We will need more than 6 based on setting a permanent schedule and people's availability so there will be room to substitute rotate players as necessary etc...

Any interest?

Although in guild now, I would imagine we would be willing to have the new characters in a "perma" guild.

[Kire]

sign me up =). i'll make the toon in a bit, and repost the name.

~Kire

[Purgatory]

I have many permadeath charters on 2 other server I wouldn't mind makeing one or two on kyber aswell and come play with you guys once or twice a week for a quest or two.

[Strakeln]

Can PD members shop at Qwijymart?

[Hafeal]

Can PD members shop at Qwijymart?

As I understand it ... generally no.

I think groups can be willing but perhaps not purchasing in "bulk" would be in the spirit of permadeath. I guess then it might be semi-permadeath.

[Hafeal]

Kire, Purgatory, Alzarq want in - can you make Friday?

LOUDrampart, Kinoki, Citymorg, alistar, strakeln?

Looks like we could make a raid group, discuss final rules, create a Guild (or-Sub-Guild as the case may be), set regular crawl schedule.

Right now we are at 12, enough for 2 groups. This would allow us to run 2 full groups and mix and match on a regular schedule - I am assuming people will want to try different characters after they die. What can I say, I am an optimist.

At a minimum, given RL situations, w/ 12 we should always be able to run at least 1 full group on a regular schedule (x1-2 / week).

What's the sentiment?

[Kindoki]

I can make it Friday evening.

[Kire]

Friday what time (est)?

~Kire

[Hafeal]

10 p.m., U.S., CST

I have not yet created a character but plan to do so over the next couple of days and get them through the intro stuff and some of the solo only quests. I will get a character name for you soon. I will also get the character names of the other 3 I know of.

If you have a preference for a certain class, just let me know so we can make sure we have a "spread" of classes.

Some people believe in "pure" classes only for permadeath - I really do not care. Does anyone else have a strong preference?

[Hafeal]

I can make it Friday evening.

Would it be easiest to form a sub-sect of your Guild or would you prefer a new Guild entirely?

I ask b/c I have no desire, time or inclination to run a Guild and if you do - more power to you. And does anyone else have a concern or question on this?

I would only be concerned about "bank" space or other issues which might be of concern in keeping the perma players distinct and separate from the the other Guild members.

[Kindoki]

Would it be easiest to form a sub-sect of your Guild or would you prefer a new Guild entirely?

I ask b/c I have no desire, time or inclination to run a Guild and if you do - more power to you. And does anyone else have a concern or question on this?

I would only be concerned about "bank" space or other issues which might be of concern in keeping the perma players distinct and separate from the the other Guild members.

I agree there are positives and negatives to both a new guild or a subset.

Unfortunately, this is something that I don't have an answer to right now. At the moment though, at a minimum, DWG is prepared to offer forum space and a home for a permadeath group. By Friday, I should have a better idea of whether we (both from a guild and PD player perspective) would best be served by including PD members in the general ranks of DWG, or as a separate subset.

Either way, I would be looking for someone to step up to the plate in running this, though with my full support, because my first charge is to the overall function of DWG rather than one portion. Don't get me wrong though...I am totally stoked about a PD group...it just can't be my only focus!

[Kire]

Can make friday at 10. New toon is multi-classed hope that doesnt mess with the PD thing. The toon isnt in a guild and im willing to form a new one or join another.

By the way the build for my toon is:

2 rog/1 ranger/11 Fighter. Great crossbow user with high str.

~Kire

[Amabel]

Multiclassed is fine.... just as long as your lvl 1 when you start!

May I suggest those who can hook in on Friday and start a new guild "Untwinked Permadeath" (no confusion there) or whatever else. Then we'll post the details in the forums and let it grow organically. The key is to get players started. Once we're going, we can decide later whether to bring it formally under Kindoki's umbrella.