Fleeced

[Hvymetal]

To finish, I'm glad both sides have come to an agreement and sorted it out, a good discussion is always the best way to solve things and avoid more problems.

I would also like to add, that although I see the reasoning behind the original posting I don't necissarily agree with it. That good discussion is always best done off the public forums..... Now where's that popcorn?

[Revenant15]

haven't we discussed this before. I usually don't get into things, but it was decided that what people do with their loot, raid or otherwise, is their business. If he decided to trade it then thats on him. The real issue was the shady deal, which sorry, but i agree you should of told how many ahead of time. I'm glad to see that you guys managed to fix the problem yourselves before it got any worse. Everybody else, waah! If it had happened to you, you'd have complained too. [Sarcasm toggle on] A player was being greddy with their loot[Sarcasm toggle off]. If the person thought it was too much they wouldn't have taken the trade.

[Svetelana]

Unless I know you, there is no way I would click "trade" without seeing the goods in the other window......

As they say, "Nuf said"

[Armathia]

Darnit u guys ate alll the popcorn!!!

[Shaamis]

it boils down to trusting who you roll with, and learning who you are playing with asap. I traded raid loot for a person in a raid, and we went to his bank, he pulled out the item, and gave it to me. If you part ways after the raid, of course it wont be as fast, but even if ai had an inkling he was dishonest, I would have traded it to someone i felt trustworthy.

When I was on Aundair, there was a member who screwed up the trade!/no trade. event, with his shennaniggans. I know he has changeed his name to avoid persecution, but to this day I stillavoid him, because of his moment of indescetion.

Let that be a lesson to those who try to cheat other players out. eventually this MMO with be a single player game for you.

[Murderface]

i was on my bard running the reaver raid today. a +3 con tome dropped for me and i auctioned it. the highest bidder (a bard) got it with a bid of a full set of tome pieces and 100k pp and the tome was promptly transferred to him. once outside, a trade window came out with 2 tomes (both same), no plat. i rejected it saying we agreed a full set and he stated he only agreed all his tomes. and before i could reply, he logged off and logged in another toon. i sent tells to a guildie of his, who was in the same raid, to help me ask him to complete his part of the deal. at the same time i saw a barb guildie running circles infront of me which i later found out from a friend that its his alt. one hour after the raid, during which i sent tells to some of his guildies, the entire guild either when annon or logged. i suspect this is yet another cheat....

as of now, i have only recieved 1 tome piece, supposely from another alt of his.

mr bard, if you are reading this, you have an obligation to fulfill.

to kyberians, if you want to know his identity, pm me

please pm me the name so if im on my cleric ill promise to raise and only throw his stone in the lava

[nbhs275]

please pm me the name so if im on my cleric ill promise to raise and only throw his stone in the lava

someone didnt read the thread at all

[cardmj1]

I agree with Raika on this one. I will roll but never bid on an item. If I get something that I don't need or want, I let it roll to WHOEVER wants to roll on it. As for who does the work and who doesn't, who cares. Everyone has strengths and weakness in this game and everyone has a job to do. If he died, he died. I am more than positive you have died a few times yourself. Learn from it and get over it.

And as for you Hvymetal, stop hogging the all the popcorn. Man! You warforges gobble up all my mana and now the popcorn.

[Hvymetal]

I agree with Raika on this one. I will roll but never bid on an item. If I get something that I don't need or want, I let it roll to WHOEVER wants to roll on it. As for who does the work and who doesn't, who cares. Everyone has strengths and weakness in this game and everyone has a job to do. If he died, he died. I am more than positive you have died a few times yourself. Learn from it and get over it.

And as for you Hvymetal, stop hogging the all the popcorn. Man! You warforges gobble up all my mana and now the popcorn.

Popcorn helps us operate at optimum performance I'll see if I can spare some....

[Riot]

<insert guild raiding benefits here>

[Lo_Pan]

<insert guild raiding benefits here>

Quoted for truth

[artvan_delet]

Disclosure: I'm on sarlona. But wow, a +3 con tome for 1 mil gold and 2 tome pieces. So +3 con tome for about 3 mil gold. What a deal! What a steal. (Not commenting on the trade, just what the tome sold for, so far.)

[SimonB]

This whole thread is fairly ridiculous. I gave away, yes gave away, a +3 con tome that i pulled at the weekend to a complete stranger on a roll open to everyone. (I had already pulled a +3 with Simonr).

I have 5 toons I can run the reaver with and I have not yet seen any auctioning off of loot, everyone has been happy to trade items on roll a d100.

[Aranticus]

This whole thread is fairly ridiculous. I gave away, yes gave away, a +3 con tome that i pulled at the weekend to a complete stranger on a roll open to everyone. (I had already pulled a +3 with Simonr).

I have 5 toons I can run the reaver with and I have not yet seen any auctioning off of loot, everyone has been happy to trade items on roll a d100.

i guess u did not read everything or you would have seen that i have yet to use a con tome on that toon and that it would be a win win situation (IMO) in a trade which would benefit both parties. i'd have also posted that i have given away raid loot too. stuff i cant use immediately goes into santa's bag. so far in most raids i've been in, tomes are the stuff which frequently get traded and hence i did the same. previous 2 tomes i got, got offers even before i seen what i got. maybe not for you, but thats the norm for me.

for all,

an update on the situation, i've recieved slightly 1/2 of what is agreed upon. there is still an outstanding 4 tome pieces. i have yet recieved anything since then

[Bunker]

I read this whole thread and just had to respond.

Greed will givey ou the backhand if you let it. It seems that instead of just throwing a raid item up for roll, or keeping it yourself, lets try to cash in and maybe make a quick buck. Greed will get you in trouble.

I swapped a player one +6 wis necklace for another, because they were both rr. He said in a forum private message, just send it in the mail to me, and I will send you mine. Ha! Like anyone with 1/2 a brain should do that. In a perfect world, yes, we should all be honest, especially about something as trivial as a game, but that isnt' how ppl roll these days. Deception and Greed take the drivers seat while honestly is shotgun. If you can't see the trade in the window, then it is your own fault.

I've pulled a +3 str tome in the reaver, and I gave it to a class that would get better use of it(seeing as i was on my caster), but I have also been in a raid when a pally pulls a +3 int, and he only let me and one other wizard roll on the tome. Being on both ends of the stick, why not just pass on the good fortune, living proof here that what you give you will get in the future. Try to make a quick buck and see how much you end up paying.

[Aranticus]

I read this whole thread and just had to respond.

Greed will givey ou the backhand if you let it. It seems that instead of just throwing a raid item up for roll, or keeping it yourself, lets try to cash in and maybe make a quick buck. Greed will get you in trouble.

I swapped a player one +6 wis necklace for another, because they were both rr. He said in a forum private message, just send it in the mail to me, and I will send you mine. Ha! Like anyone with 1/2 a brain should do that. In a perfect world, yes, we should all be honest, especially about something as trivial as a game, but that isnt' how ppl roll these days. Deception and Greed take the drivers seat while honestly is shotgun. If you can't see the trade in the window, then it is your own fault.

I've pulled a +3 str tome in the reaver, and I gave it to a class that would get better use of it(seeing as i was on my caster), but I have also been in a raid when a pally pulls a +3 int, and he only let me and one other wizard roll on the tome. Being on both ends of the stick, why not just pass on the good fortune, living proof here that what you give you will get in the future. Try to make a quick buck and see how much you end up paying.

greed? before you come around giving your 2cp worth, do find out the facts. ask around in kyhber (formerly riedra) and many will tell you the sort of person i am. ask the players who i trade with to see/hear for yourself. i've been in trades where i've sent a load of pp in the mail. i've also been sent loads of pp thru mail. yes i do agree that this is not a perfect world so its only right where we highlight these shady players to make the world less gray.

as to passing the buck..... who says i dun? in fact i just gave cloudburst to a tank today. and again, before u call anyone names, do check out if u have the basis to do so.....

[Strakeln]

Greed will givey ou the backhand if you let it. It seems that instead of just throwing a raid item up for roll, or keeping it yourself, lets try to cash in and maybe make a quick buck.

I'm gonna poke my nose in here real quick and stick up for Aranticus. Enough of this greed talk, you're barking up the wrong tree.

If you wanted a con tome and could use it on the character you pulled it with, but someone made you a really nice offer, putting the item up for roll is not a reasonable option. Naturally, it would have to be a killer offer to convince you to give up the tome. This is not greed.

Greed is when you don't need the item, and you try to get people to start bidding on it instead of rolling.

[Talish]

I have to stick up for Aranticus as well. He is one of few players I know where you can make a trade with him through the mail and be guaranteed not to be ripped off. He honours his deals and is not greedy. The deals are always fair sometimes less than what you expected to pay.

[Vizzini]

They are talking about loot that is bound in a chest, it can be traded in the chest.. The Contract was all verbal before he transferred ownership to the highest bidder.. It's very risky, and not something I would do with someone I didn't already know and or trust.

Unless I know you, there is no way I would click "trade" without seeing the goods in the other window......

As they say, "Nuf said"

[Litz]

/sticks head in the sand

I didn't see anything or know anything. I would think it ******** but who am I to say so in the condition I'm in?