When you advertise something you mean IT

[Jeannie]

I had to laugh at Ghoste's dialog, it reminded me of an interaction I had with a kid a few weeks ago. At least I hope it was a kid!

I was soloing the Catacombs with my mid-level pally. I was in the middle of a fight and a join box pops up, I quickly hit decline and keep fighting. It pops again a few seconds later. I decline again, finish the fight then look up the name in the Who list to see if perhaps the guild would clue me in to whether I know this person. Nope - never heard of the toon or the guild.

About 20 minutes later, I get another invite along with a tell that says "Join!" I decline the invite and send a replay asking "Do I know you?" I get another invite and a reply "It doesn't matter, just Join! JOIN! JOIN! JOIN" I reply "It does matter - if I know you I will probably forgive you for the rudeness, if I don't, I am going to squelch and report you." That took care of it, no more invites, no more tells

It was a Sunday morning and there wasn't much going on. I did feel a little sorry for whoever it was, I could just picture some poor kid sitting at his computer thinking "I need a Paladin! I don't care what she's doing! I want her to JOIN!!!" Like the Borg....

[Uamhas]

If you've put up an LFM and a lvl 5 rogue sends you a tell asking you if you want a cleric (especially when there's no specification for a particular class and there are no clerics in the party yet) honest, I'm not yankin yer chain, it means I want to reserve a spot for a lvl appropriate cleric. I can't count how many times I've either been ignored completely, or have had the party leader be downright rude to me- probably thinking I was one of the 'tards previously referenced. Occasionally I get a wild hair and click to join without sending a tell first while I'm on my lowbie and it's someone I know LFM. I like to say "surprise" after they have a chance to either blast me, or calmly explain the lvl/class requirements for their LFM. I have an easily recognized voice, and most of the people I do that to have a good enough sense of humor to get the joke immediately.

[Lizzybrat]

If you've put up an LFM and a lvl 5 rogue sends you a tell asking you if you want a cleric (especially when there's no specification for a particular class and there are no clerics in the party yet) honest, I'm not yankin yer chain, it means I want to reserve a spot for a lvl appropriate cleric. I can't count how many times I've either been ignored completely, or have had the party leader be downright rude to me- probably thinking I was one of the 'tards previously referenced. Occasionally I get a wild hair and click to join without sending a tell first while I'm on my lowbie and it's someone I know LFM. I like to say "surprise" after they have a chance to either blast me, or calmly explain the lvl/class requirements for their LFM. I have an easily recognized voice, and most of the people I do that to have a good enough sense of humor to get the joke immediately.

I've seen her do it too *nods*
Of course Uma we sound sooooooooooooo much alike they might think you are me. /sarcasm

[Shamguard]

/rant on

There is a broader problem with people unable to comprehend the seemingly simple language and sections in LFMs. People just don't read them and it is one of the few things that gets under my skin. Examples:

GENERAL TEXT

1) "Know your way"
This means, SUPRISE!, know your way to the quest, know who to pick it up from, know what house it is in etc. This means you do not ask, "Where's the quest?" If you have to ask, "where's the quest?" that means you do not know your way.

2) "In progress"
This means we have already started, so don't expect to find someone who is going to run out to the quest with you (especially in the desert or the orchard). Generally, when you see this, you can assume that 1 above applies.

3) "Be self sufficient"
This means you need to be able to heal yourself, cure yourself, buff/haste yourself and generally take care of yourself without taxing the resources of the group. If you get a buff or a heal or a haste, consider yourself lucky.

4) "Experienced players"
See 1-3. In addition to 1-3, this also generally means that you have done the quest before or that you have sufficient skills to be able to compensate for not having done it before.

5) "No hand holding"
See 1-4.

6) "Must be flagged"
Why is this one so difficult to comprehend? Check your quest log, it will tell you if you are ready for the quest or not. The Litany of the Dead and Twilight Forge LFMs seem to attract more of these than any other quests in the game. If you don't know what a sigil is, please don't hit the LFM.

7) "Flagging" or "Quick runs" or "No optionals"
This means that you don't get upset that we are not going for the three chests in the bottom of the Chamber of Raiyum. It also means that you don't open all the unnecessary doors/paths in VON3, et al. Expect to ride around in someone's pocket if you die on one of these. If you decide you want to do these, do them on your own time, after the objective in the LFM is met and I am long gone.

REQUIRED CLASS PANE

8) "Need <class>"
This means the party needs a specific class, generally, its the one that is listed between the <>.

9) If the LFM does not have a specific class in it, generally, it means that sufficient numbers of that class are already in party, or the party leadership does not feel that they are needed for the quest. They could be wrong, but its generally easier to let them find out by themselves than to attempt to convince them via tells.

You will often see 1-7 in my LFMs. You will always see 9 defined and I mean it.

I can't tell you how many times I hear these questions after someone has entered party:

"What quest are we doing?"
Why do people apply to the group if they need to ask this question?

"What difficulty are we running?"
Seriously. When I hear these I need to restrain myself from dismissing them outright.

Now some of you will say, "that's what you get when you PUG" and I can understand that sentiment to an extent, but the degree to which it happens is dumbfounding. I have been patient with people when they choose not to read the LFM, or even read it and ignore what is written there. I have noticed, however, that there is an increasing trend of intolerance for folks who ignore the LFMs.

/rant off

Please read the LFMs.

OK, this thread has gone long enough and since no one else as said it I will.

Items 1-5: If I see one of these messages in a LFM I tned to look for another party. The main reason being if you feel the need to put one of these messages in your LFM you aren't really looking for players your looking for looter. I will do that from time to time myself but I do like actualy running a quest and not just chasing the party.

Item 6: Yes, I know why people put this in their LFM, because people are IDIOTS.

Item 7: You, for got Favor Run, having just finished favor grinding a character I can understand this message. Why when the party is getting 0xp do people still want to do all the optionals?

Items 8 & 9: Yes, why cannot people just read the LFM.

On that note I do have one question though. If the LFM text says "PoP loot run" and the quest widow says "The Missing Party". Which quest are you doing?

Also when my rogue 1/wizard 13 sends a join request for a party, don't send me a tell saying, "We need a caster".

Please people before you post an LFM make sure it says what you really want and maybe you wont get asked "What quest are we doing?" Also keep it updated so you don't get 5 Sorcerers trying to join your party when all you need is a cleric.

Peosonaly, before I join a party I look to see who is in the party already. If you already have a rogue I won't send a join request. I may change characters to something I think you need (ie caster, or tank) and then join.

You know this game is made up of alot of different people with a alot of different abilitiy levels. A little communications both ways helps alot. just remember the first rule of dealing with people, "They are ALL IDIOTS" and I do mean all, this includes you and me. The trick is to know when you are an idiot and fix it.

[GrayOldDruid]

/

"What quest are we doing?"
Why do people apply to the group if they need to ask this question?

"What difficulty are we running?"
Seriously. When I hear these I need to restrain myself from dismissing them outright.

Got to defend those questions. I have entered groups where there was a quest on the LFM and I joined for that quest specifically - only to get to group and get "We just did that.... " or "Think we're going to do xxx now"

More specifically, joined a group that had Vault of Night up - thinking VON 1-4 were going to be done... got to the group, standing around... "uhm... going to be doing VON 1, right?" "No, 5-6" "oh... not ready for that, may want to change the LFM to show you're not doing 1-4." Left group, watched and they never changed, had more join/leave I think.

So, that is a reasonable question, although could be phrased more like "Just to veryify, we're doing <thequestinlfm>, Right?"

What difficulty? Yeah, good question (unless the difficulty is IN the LFM, even then, verify is good). Some things you want to know what buffs to use or not, items may change depending of difficulty. I may go for bow use or s&b or TWF depending on difficulty. Also, If the whole group is 10-11 and the quest is lvl 12, no way do I want to go in on Elite. Too many party wipes from that (in my experience).

There are TONS of LFMs up with a couple lvl 2 characters with a lvl 1-14 LFM.... right... They're doing it for Favor.

To sum up, LFMs are often not exactly what they say in the text. Caution and verifying is good. Also, i will often send a tell like, "Never done this before, may need some guidance, but I'm interested." Sometimes I get an invite right away, sometimes not.

[Lizzybrat]

One of my favorite quotes:

"There is an idiot in every party. Today it happens to be you."

[Shamguard]

One of my favorite quotes:

"There is an idiot in every party. Today it happens to be ME."

Fixed it for you.

or to steal a poker quote. "If you join a party and cannot identify the idiot, it's probably you."

[Uamhas]

oh, but Mo... your voice is like irish whiskey with a shot of Baileys. Smokey and rough with just a touch of sass. Mine is not.

[Lizzybrat]

oh, but Mo... your voice is like irish whiskey with a shot of Baileys. Smokey and rough with just a touch of sass. Mine is not.

Marry me? Or at least come train my husband on saying things like this to me?

[Lizzybrat]

Fixed it for you.

or to steal a poker quote. "If you join a party and cannot identify the idiot, it's probably you."

Yup - been there done that and have definitely been the idiot in the party. Run the dragon? Sure guys!! Oh wait - forgot to get my end reward AGAIN!

[Hvymetal]

Was doing a Titan run for WF Night, and we were already underway, and I got a join request for the 12th spot in the group from a lvl 4 fighter.

Obviously I knew he wouldn't be able to enter the Twilight Forge, but I clicked accept anyways. I was curious to see where this would go. I figured, hey, it may be someone who has no idea what this quest is, and I can just quickly explain the pre requisites and send them on their way. It turned out to be a fairly young kid:
-"heeeeeeyyyy guys! Where do I go for this quest?"
-"Ummm...it's a raid that you have to do the pre requisites for."
-"Just tellllllllll me where to go, guuyyyyyyys."
*laughter from the party*
-"But you can't enter the quest unless you've done the prerequisites."
-"Oh...well...just telllllllll me where to go, guuyyyyyys."
*more laughter*
-"You guys are meeeeeean, you know that?"
*dismiss him from group*

So sometimes it's little kids still figuring out the game, who obviously don't know what to make of some of the LFM comments.

Incidentally, this was the same raid when we invited the plat seller into the party. That was an evening of much silliness.

LOL I remember him now

[haggis]

I submit
To the DEVs I hope the MMO gamers support U because I have just cancelled my substription. I know 1 means nothing to you in the face of many but I know you will always cater to the 20year old gamer
i think you made a mistake
knitro

[rykim]

/rant on

There is a broader problem with people unable to comprehend the seemingly simple language and sections in LFMs. People just don't read them and it is one of the few things that gets under my skin. Examples:


Please read the LFMs.

Gotta tell ya, it's not just people not being able to read the LFM's. It's also the people who don't know how to use them also. I've seen LFM's up which list every class but I can see that they need a cleric or caster or tank or some such...

If you post an LFM, be sure you update it as you fill the party. ESPECIALLY RAIDS.

A special thanks to those courteous enough to send tells to people they don't pick up off the LFM's, i.e. "sorry just filled", "will get you on the next run", "waiting on someone to switch", etc.

[Lizzybrat]

I love doing all one class parties.
I've done all rogue gwylans and bounty hunter and of course our all bard stormreaver raid.

But I still think my favorite is a caster only run of Invaders.

[bostonjoe]

WHY is it when I advertise RP or RP friendly do I get invites from group that do not play RP friendly.

Because most non-RPers don't know what "RP" stands for.

Every time I get a wizard joining my group with the quest very clearly written in the LFM and asking what quest we're doing, or joining a 'warforged night" party with a fleshling wizard, I always have a question leap to the tip of my tongue and must strive to hold it back:
"How does someone playing the class with the most emphasis on intelligence and by far the most emphasis on literacy, play so illiterately?"
I haven't asked it yet, but one of these days it's gonna pop out and someone is going to remember Ghoste as a big jerk.

Just do it, people that dense deserve to be talked down to. In fact, the people that do that probably wont even understand what you mean. Your ability to form a coherent sentence will just be too **** much for them...

At first when I saw your name, I read it as Goatsie. So I was wondering why you had a problem being depicted as an ahole.

[systemstate]

Guys, I don't think he's talking about LFM's at all. He is saying that he gets invited to groups, and those groups are not RP friendly.

OP, do you mean that you have edited your LFG status to say that you are only looking for RP groups?

[Missing_Minds]

/rant on

You forgot "share please."

I tend tell them "I can't. journal bugged, go get it yourself. It is at the freaking quest entrance."

[Pwesiela]

Because most non-RPers don't know what "RP" stands for.



Just do it, people that dense deserve to be talked down to. In fact, the people that do that probably wont even understand what you mean. Your ability to form a coherent sentence will just be too **** much for them...

At first when I saw your name, I read it as Goatsie. So I was wondering why you had a problem being depicted as an ahole.

Wow, um....

SOMEBODY didn't read the original post date, or answers that followed...

[systemstate]

Wow, um....

SOMEBODY didn't read the original post date, or answers that followed...

Oh, holy cow... I didn't see the original post date at all until you mentioned it.

[gwlech]

While I am not an RPer, and I do prefer to run most content at lightning speed, I still think it is very rude for someone to disregard your lfm. Either that said person is just being an inconsiderate ass, or they can't read a freaking lfm.