Give us a break

[Nauthiz]

Preaching to the choir here, heh. Maybe this should have been in the barbarian forum

Hilarious. Glad someone else said it.

[xope]

Preaching to the choir here, heh. Maybe this should have been in the barbarian forum

Lol arian good stuffs

[Strakeln]

Heh - didja ever notice that the groups that contribute the most need the least amount of healing? You'll get into a group that gives you 3 wands and 30 heal scrolls, then you go through the entire quest without needing to dip into consumables...

[Oreg]

My favorite is when people use the 'it's more expensive to be a fighter' arguement due to expensive weapon costs. First of all, weapons last a LOT longer than wands. Second, my cleric also uses weapons...even paras and disrupters, so I guess that makes it twice as bad. Third, I have melee types too and it's not even close. I buys the best gear I can for my melee guys and I still end up building money with them instead of hovering above 1000 plat (like some of my clerics). Maybe some people just buy a lot of haste potions or something!

That "something" meaning cure serious heal pots? Resist Pots? Restore pots? Cure whatever pots? Cure Serious Wands in my case? These days most good fighters are pretty self reliant. Burst heal me in the heat of the battle but even then believe me I am watching my health and taking pots. I don't bother to announce it in group when I am doing it so maybe that's why you don't think it's happening.

[Ringos]

That "something" meaning cure serious heal pots? Resist Pots? Restore pots? Cure whatever pots? Cure Serious Wands in my case? These days most good fighters are pretty self reliant. Burst heal me in the heat of the battle but even then believe me I am watching my health and taking pots. I don't bother to announce it in group when I am doing it so maybe that's why you don't think it's happening.

I don't agree with that at all. I see a lot of people in PUGs who are not self-reliant. You are not the norm, trust me.

...and I can watch a red bar, no I know when people take pots. It's not that I think it's not happening, it's that I know it's not happening.

[DoctorWhofan]

Preaching to the choir here, heh. Maybe this should have been in the barbarian forum

LOL!!! Agreed!

[Nauthiz]

First, must agree with Strakeln; I am most likely to get a wand or mnemonic pot when I least need it.

Secondly, must both agree and disagree with Oreg. You're right, most good fighters are pretty self-reliant, and you can bet the cleric (who spends a pretty good amount of time staring at HP bars) notices it. It isn't everyone, though.

How about this for a rule of thumb? For an easy quest, I don't pull out wands at all, thus making it completely free for both of us if I heal/buff/resist you with SP, and not a thought of complaint would cross my mind. For a tough quest, if SP are precious, that's a good time for everyone to top themselves off with potions after the carnage has reached a lull. Honestly, though, the complaint seldom crosses my mind there, either. It goes with being a cleric, and I should probably think about playing a different class before I fill my nights with complaining instead of adventure.

[wizzy_catt]

Think about it if a party member donated 2k to a cleric for each quest 2x6=12kpp which is alot for some or a cure serious wand thats 300 charges of healing .... i just want to plea plz give us a break and share some money its hard to live like a cleric.

hmm you party with 6 other people in quests? how do you do that?? i'd love to have 7 ppl in regular quests.
Quote: No Wands No Scrolls Buy Your OWN Potions!
i carry around 50 csw pots on all toons. lowbies have like 500 csw/cmw pots. expensive but cant rely on clerics these days.

[Strakeln]

Personally speaking, there are few things more rewarding than seeing a fighter/barbarian with 1/4 to 1/2 health chugging potions, then tossing a heal scroll on them. Those that come to the quest prepared are much more appreciative than those who don't.

[Cowdenicus]

For revenge from having to heal all those melee types since head start I went ahead and created a human 2 weapon fighting barbarian that dual wields picks.......

I cant wait.

[nbhs275]

For revenge from having to heal all those melee types since head start I went ahead and created a human 2 weapon fighting barbarian that dual wields picks.......

I cant wait.

Thats what my barbarian is, and he takes minimal damage in most quests.

[Oreg]

First, must agree with Strakeln; I am most likely to get a wand or mnemonic pot when I least need it.

Secondly, must both agree and disagree with Oreg. You're right, most good fighters are pretty self-reliant, and you can bet the cleric (who spends a pretty good amount of time staring at HP bars) notices it. It isn't everyone, though.

How about this for a rule of thumb? For an easy quest, I don't pull out wands at all, thus making it completely free for both of us if I heal/buff/resist you with SP, and not a thought of complaint would cross my mind. For a tough quest, if SP are precious, that's a good time for everyone to top themselves off with potions after the carnage has reached a lull. Honestly, though, the complaint seldom crosses my mind there, either. It goes with being a cleric, and I should probably think about playing a different class before I fill my nights with complaining instead of adventure.

Agreed. In guild groups its pretty much understood that you look out for yourself first and foremost (in terms of healing)and back up your party when they need it. We have lots of clerics in the guild and when/if they are in party it means a) lots of massive damage they inflict b) we can move faster after bigger fights because they heal us up c) we take on larger fights knowing we have the healing.

I also run in many pugs and as my ftr/pal I tell them only to heal me during battle if sp is tight. Ill take care of myself after the fight with wands and spot heal with potions during the fight. With my sorc I basically tell them to raise me if I die otherwise don't worry about me.

I can see where the frustration can come from in the situations you guys describe. I guess I just don't see it as rampant. Maybe I'm just lucky with the groups I get.

[Twerpp]

Hotkey left mouse wheel to cast heal, hotkey right mouse wheel to wand heal, and hotkey button to pots for self heals yeah its expensive but fast different cooldown timers makes for good zerging

I hate the stupid zergers with no tactic whatsoever no bother to use their trips/stunning blow or paralyzer. Please tell me again why you built a max str barb why wouldnt you use free feats like trip that you have like a 32 dc on? Sure run into 10 mobs at least stand on one side of them where your glancing blows will hit most, not right in the middle where you are taking flanked penalties and backstabs. Anyway as a melee now playing a cleric the most painful part is not hemorrhaging plat but watching them knowing I could do it better :P

[Cash]

Preaching to the choir here, heh. Maybe this should have been in the barbarian forum

Yup

[Frodo_Lives]

I have a cleric I have Pugged to cap, and he has not used a single rez scroll (carries 20) and only 1 heal scroll (carries 50) in his entire career! Have not bought a single CSW wand (has 12 House sealed letters in the bank still). I have gone through about half a dozen sp potions though, but over the course of 14 levels that isn't bad either.

Clerics don't have to be expensive, even at low levels. I find that a few CLW wands last a long time at low levels and a CMW wands lasts a while at mid levels.

I don't heal people with consumables that are play stupidly, and I don't break out wands when there is no reason for it.

Bottom line is that clerics are only as expensive to play as you want them to be, I play my cleric and no one dies just because I don't burn through heal scrolls. They die because of A) They were stupid B) I was stupid or C) We took on more than we could handle. If they die because of A, I don't feel bad. If they die because of B or I wasn't quick enough than I do feel bad. The reason that clerics can be expensive is because some people don't recognize C when they come across it. If you are in a group that is in over its head don't feel obligated to spend yourself into the poor house to make it through the quest.

[Gareth27]

You should see how much it costs for me as a bard. I buy wands (csw, and rsw), scrolls (raise dead, and some others), and if I don't have these items, you can't believe the amount of grief you can get from some people. These people coincidentally are the same ones that never donate. I think I can count the number of times i've received a donation of some sort on one hand

[Lukalock]

hey i don't know if this has already been said or not (don't feel like going through each and every post in this thread)... but you might want to check this out:


Clerics Guild - http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=130718


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[Cowdenicus]

If you are a cleric and you are poor, you are doing something wrong.....

The cheapest way to get through a quest is generally not healing through it.

That being said, Holy Necro...................

[cardmj1]

I have a couple of clerics and I tend to stay in guild but I have been known to pug. I just have to say that the best tip I ever got was everyone in the party transferring their gold (not the plat) in the chest to me. I didn't ask for, they just did it. I told them it wasn't necessary but they did it anyway. A nice bunch of fellas. I told them to put me on their friend's list and if they should ever require my services again, I would be available.

On the other hand, I have a list of zergers. When I created my list, all of a sudden, I had money. hmmmm I think there is a correlation there. no zergers = more gold. zergers = poor house. IMHO, it's not the clerical skills but the zerg point man in the party. Because, let's face it. It takes one idiot fighter to take off running and the other melees run after him trying to keep up. I see it all the time, so don't try and tell me otherwise. "I don't care about kill counts.." Please... Clerics see the fight in full view. The caster bouncing off the wall running smacking full face frontal with a raged orc, the rogue bouncing in and out trying to get as many backstabs as possible without grabbing aggro, the bard swinging with all his might but not quite getting the dps he thinks he can get, the ranger trying his darnedest to get his wild empathy to work on the gnoll, and the barbie trying to make as many friends as possible OUTSIDE the firewall to make sure he gets the kills and not the caster. And as soon as most of the mob is dead, poof! Barbie and Caster bee lining for the next room trying to get the next kill, the bard singing away trying to catch up, and the rogue searching for trap that is set off by the ranger trying to figure out what just happened. ...Sound familiar to anyone?

[Hvymetal]

If you are a cleric and you are poor, you are doing something wrong.....

The cheapest way to get through a quest is generally not healing through it.

That being said, Holy Necro...................

Well I mean this is the Cleric section, so I guess maybe a Raise Dead or Ressurect isn;t entirely out of place