Why human?

[ErgonomicCat]

In PnP, I play basically nothing but humans. Occasionally I'll roll some odd +1 ECL critter, but pretty much, it's humans.

In DDO, I only have one human, and that's just because I didn't want another dwarf.

Is there a niche for humans in DDO? My first sorc was human, but Drow and WF really make so much better choices. I find that I have far too many elves, for the rapier bonuses, and dwarves, for the dwarven toughness.

I think the main problem is that DDO just doesn't have enough gotta take 'em feats yet, so that bonus feat ends up being excess baggage most of the time. So where do humans really shine? A pure class barb might benefit from the extra feat, and +1 skill is basically a free +2 int, but either my skills are int based (rogue), I need 13 int anyway (ce), or skills aren't that important.

I really like the human versatility enhancements, but I'm not good with remembering to use them when I need 'em.

[Cowdenicus]

In PnP, I play basically nothing but humans. Occasionally I'll roll some odd +1 ECL critter, but pretty much, it's humans.

In DDO, I only have one human, and that's just because I didn't want another dwarf.

Is there a niche for humans in DDO? My first sorc was human, but Drow and WF really make so much better choices. I find that I have far too many elves, for the rapier bonuses, and dwarves, for the dwarven toughness.

I think the main problem is that DDO just doesn't have enough gotta take 'em feats yet, so that bonus feat ends up being excess baggage most of the time. So where do humans really shine? A pure class barb might benefit from the extra feat, and +1 skill is basically a free +2 int, but either my skills are int based (rogue), I need 13 int anyway (ce), or skills aren't that important.

I really like the human versatility enhancements, but I'm not good with remembering to use them when I need 'em.

34 wisdom clerics.

[Lithic]

34 wisdom clerics.

26 Constitution Sorcerers

[Dariun]

Since the original human versatility got nerfed, there has been no reason to play one.

[A_Sheep]

+1 Feat for feat-starved Classes.

+1 str/wisdom over any other race in the game currently.

The current human versatility is actually pretty good. (Better than the old HV for my battlebard)

Mostly, the Human Adaptability does it for me on melees.

They could really use some sort of racial weapon enhancement line, though. It's a little unbalanced for some races to get a racial weapon and some not. Maybe something like the human adaptability, where you can pick one weapon to get a +1 to-hit and damage to (but no second level). This would make humans VERY attractive.

[Dariun]

The current human versatility is actually pretty good. (Better than the old HV for my battlebard)

On what planet is a 20 second boost superior to a static bonus of the same amount?

[Lithic]

On what planet is a 20 second boost superior to a static bonus of the same amount?

For skills its no contest. I mourn the passing ov HV every day I play my human rogue.

However, for combat its much better. You get the choice of ac boost, attack boost, saves boost, possibly speed boost, and a nerfed skill boost for the cost of one such class enhancement. I wouldnt ever take it myself, but for some characters it can work. I hate clickies.

[Dariun]

For skills its no contest. I mourn the passing of HV every day I play my human rogue.

QFT

[Mapa]

Build a Human Ranger with Shot on the Run and Spring attack. The next Mod may be the final death nell for SoR but so far it still has uses for me. I have no problems qualifying for the Tempest or the Sniper enhancements just because of that one extra human feat.

[Barik]

Paladins, have to spread points thin..nice not to have the negatives. The extra feat helps in terms of keeping up a lil with the other tanks.

[Murderface]

34 wisdom clerics.

god i want a +3 tome :P
sadly humans are only good at being clerics not that humans are bad
dorf is sevely overpowered back in the day when most of those enhancments came out u would have to take a severe loss in usisng one out four enhancments for dorf tough, dorf sr, dorf axe damage, dorf armor mastery
drows are strong because the oh so many cha based characters
warfoged are severely lacking in alot of areas but they still can improve saves

if you havent notice the game is entirely dependent in having high saves in all 3 categories

and the list goes on and on and on
humans have a boost and +1 to any stat yawn+2 to con for dorfs (not so much for wf because of the oh so many strikes against them) is unfortunately much better at the resent since theres no gauranteed the extra stackable stat increase is hmm not so great...and next level will be the same as well unless you get gauranteed +3 tomes
halflings were nerfd much with the seperation of halfling luck(notice dorfs didnt get there extra sr nerf
elves are good for hmm when u make a no cha using ranger that u want a bit more con on?
sadly id say the dorf is an overpowered beast and needs to be hit with the nerf hammer just like all the other races

if saves didnt matter besides lacking human toughness and a weapon damage enhancment then humans would be a great choice and it always is a good choice if you need another feat, alas tho humans dont have extra feats because usualy to be any good you auto need to spend it on save feats where other characters can put in x points and get +2 +3 +4 to saves

i will say barb humans can reach 46 str rather easily but does that really compare to axe damage??????????????????????????????????
which if u use the selected weapon its just like adding +4 str and thats +4 str and +4 dex if your finesse

i know your gonna say drow rapier damage but drows while good with wop rap have severe problems "tanking" due to there low con

so add all those awsome enahncments and use them on even the slightest melee toon and there leagues ahead of the rest
as far as the other classes even with no melee skills they still have the selection of 4 out of 5 best enahncments in the game. and thats a lowball number thinking more top 5 but i wont suggest it because of fear of back lash

the only race more qualified in any class besides maybe human cleric but for all intensive purposes when hp and saves matter fort/reflex/balance dorf wins. there is drow thank the gods because then everyone would be dorf

by the way i dont like dorfs even tho they get the best enahncments in the game. i wouldplay one but i dont like playing short and fat or else i would!

in conclusion i propose to anyone listening that humans and wf get sword damage!~!!!!!!!!

[Souless]

U know i had a huge post that was PC worded and so on...but i think id rather say what i want:

RETURN HV BACK TO A PERMANENT BONUS!

add a human toughness

add a human armor enhancement

then u wont have to hit the dorf with the nerf hammer like u have the other races!

The Bytcher!

[Samadhi]

Improved recovery line of enhancements has not been mentioned yet and is very nice.

[jacobzzz]

actualy it isnt nice at all... full heals hit for 350ish... will it really make that big of a diff if they do more? a human tank would barely even be able to hit 350 hp and its not like ur getting those heals at 0 hp... they really should make the human versatility skills static, and the stat enhancements stack... meaning u can pick 2 con or 2 w/e.... just that alone will make human a decent race... 2 slight differences is all i ask for... and honestly in my opinion human sorc > drow sorc... human sorcs get way more con, and an extra metamagic feat basically= more power. At least for the dps sorc... insta kill really isnt my style

[Bilger]

actualy it isnt nice at all... full heals hit for 350ish... will it really make that big of a diff if they do more? a human tank would barely even be able to hit 350 hp and its not like ur getting those heals at 0 hp... they really should make the human versatility skills static, and the stat enhancements stack... meaning u can pick 2 con or 2 w/e.... just that alone will make human a decent race... 2 slight differences is all i ask for... and honestly in my opinion human sorc > drow sorc... human sorcs get way more con, and an extra metamagic feat basically= more power. At least for the dps sorc... insta kill really isnt my style

Yea my clerics heal normaly hits for 399 and will fill most humans instantly accept for a TWF Barb I know.
As far as Sorcerers they at this time hit the same max useable charisma as a drow at 34 and get mor con. A 200 + HP sorce, equal sp, extra feat, and equal DC are far better than the drow sorce.
Granted with the cap increase we don't know what we getting as far as enhancements and such if no new char enhancement drows will get 36 and humans 35, but still are lacking in the power and HP of a human sorce.

[Cold_Stele]

dorf is sevely overpowered back in the day when most of those enhancments came out u would have to take a severe loss in usisng one out four enhancments for dorf tough, dorf sr, dorf axe damage, dorf armor mastery

in conclusion i propose to anyone listening that humans and wf get sword damage!~!!!!!!!!

QFT and /signed.

[Rekker]

Human Barbarians - for STR based builds.
Human Sorcerers - you get an additional Feat, much needed for Sorcs and 1 less CHA than Drow.

[Club'in]

My only human is a 32 point build Cleric/Rogue. Extra feat allowed me to pick up Nimble Fingers at first level. And the extra skill point per level is excellent for this build. Cleric5/Rogue1 right now. I'll wait as long as I can before taking that second level of Rogue. I did eat an Intel Tome to further boost the skill points. I've only blown my nemesis trap box in Kobold Brothers (the witch doctor's acid chest), just like all my other rogues. She can hang with any rogue in the game at this level, and Command has been hitting pretty consistently. I love the cleric enhancement that gives me long sword proficiency.

[MysticRhythms]

On what planet is a 20 second boost superior to a static bonus of the same amount?

When that 20-second burst affects ANY d20 roll you can make as well as your Armor Class and Damage, it becomes pretty amazing, actually.

[WeaselKing]

26 Constitution Sorcerers

Meh, WF are better for high con casters, my wiz has a 26 Con and can get 28 with +6 con item and +2 tome (might use favor tome for this).