Drow Fighter - Archer

[2p1k3]

Please Advice. Will Rapid Shot and Many Shot Work on a Repeating Crossbow? Also do I still need Rapid Reload even on a Repeating Crossbow? Thank you for your time.

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Jasmine Sui'Kuhn
Level 14 True Neutral Drow Female
(14 Fighter) 
Hit Points: 174
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 11
Will: 4

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Stats          Modified Stats
Abilities        (Level 1)             (Level 14)
Strength             12                    13
Dexterity            20                    25
Constitution         12                    12
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom               10                    10
Charisma             10                    10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 14)
Balance               7                    15.5
Bluff                 0                     0
Concentration         1                     1
Diplomacy             0                     0
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                0                     0
Heal                  0                     0
Hide                  5                     7
Intimidate            0                     0
Jump                  5                    22
Listen                0                     2
Move Silently         5                     7
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     2
Search                0                     2
Spot                  0                     2
Swim                  1                     1
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Fighter Jump I

Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Precise Shot
Enhancement: Fighter Repair I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I

Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery I

Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Repair II

Level 5 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Iron Companion
Enhancement: Steel Companion

Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Heavy Crossbow
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
Enhancement: Fighter Jump II

Level 7 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III

Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II

Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery II
Enhancement: Mithril Companion

Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy IV

Level 11 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery II

Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Piercing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Enhancement: Fighter Jump III

Level 13 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery III

Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shot on the Run
Enhancement: Fighter Jump IV

[WeiQuinn]

Many Shot only works with Longbows and Shortbows. As for Rapid Shot, come Mod 6, it should stack with Rapid Reload.

As for your feat choices, you need to choose Ranged, not Piercing for the Crossbow/Bow.

[Pfamily]

Ya, many shot only w/ bows...and I HOPE they fix rapid reload!

From your stats I'm guessing that you'll be using the finesse feat? If so, I'm curious why you'd leave your Str and Dex on an odd number. Seems to me they'd be better if Str was left at 12 and Dex up to 26, which would give you Dex=32 with a +6 item and get you the extra bonus.

Maybe I'm missing something?

[2p1k3]

Thanks for the advice! It greatly changes what I wanted to do and I would have probably lvled the toon to 14 before realizing I should have selected Ranged instead of Piercing. *laugh*

Pfamily, I don't plan on meleeing with this toon even if the mob stands inches from its face. I'll just stick an arrow in it's eye. ^.- The numbers end up being odd because Elven: Dexterity only has 2 enhancements that lead to a +2 and we get 3 skill bumps in 14 levels. Which leads to +5 total. I don't count in equipment, spells, etc cause they all are indefinite until I actually have them in my inventory.

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Jasminehn Sui'Kuhnn
Level 14 True Neutral Drow Female
(14 Fighter) 
Hit Points: 174
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 11
Will: 4

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Stats          Modified Stats
Abilities        (Level 1)             (Level 14)
Strength             12                    13
Dexterity            20                    25
Constitution         12                    12
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom               10                    10
Charisma             10                    10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 14)
Balance               7                    15.5
Bluff                 0                     0
Concentration         1                     1
Diplomacy             0                     0
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                0                     0
Heal                  0                     0
Hide                  5                     7
Intimidate            0                     0
Jump                  3                    14
Listen                0                     2
Move Silently         5                     7
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     2
Search                0                     2
Spot                  0                     2
Swim                  1                     1
Tumble                6                    11
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Fighter Jump I

Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Precise Shot
Enhancement: Fighter Repair I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I

Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery I

Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Repair II

Level 5 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Iron Companion
Enhancement: Steel Companion

Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
Enhancement: Fighter Jump II

Level 7 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III

Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II

Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery II
Enhancement: Mithril Companion

Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy IV

Level 11 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery II

Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Shot on the Run
Enhancement: Fighter Jump III

Level 13 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery III

Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Spring Attack
Enhancement: Fighter Jump IV

[Pfamily]

Pfamily, I don't plan on meleeing with this toon even if the mob stands inches from its face. I'll just stick an arrow in it's eye. ^.-

Gotcha

Have fun!

[Grimdiegn]

I would also suggest to take shot on the run a lot sooner than 12th level. You will be shooting and backing up from day one and -4 to hit sucks.

[Aesop]

Ya, many shot only w/ bows...and I HOPE they fix rapid reload!

From your stats I'm guessing that you'll be using the finesse feat? If so, I'm curious why you'd leave your Str and Dex on an odd number. Seems to me they'd be better if Str was left at 12 and Dex up to 26, which would give you Dex=32 with a +6 item and get you the extra bonus.

Maybe I'm missing something?

Well... depending on if you are planning to lvl 20 or not (which I do) and what you can possibly get and where you place your level stat increases it is often a good idea to leave stats at odd numbers.

if say you plan to just toss all points in to strength, and you plan on all the Fighter Strength Enhancements.

Top Item +6
Top Tome +5
Top Ftr Enh +3
Stat Inc +5
total end game (not assuming Racial) Bonuses +19 (+20 with Human)

This means that if you start with an 18 you end up with 37... not really worth it so ya might as well start with a 17 and take the 36 (Humans make it Worth it to get the 38...i guess)

now all the rest of your stats you have to look at the same way
+5 Tome
+6 Item
+? Enhancments

add it all together and you can see where the break points are.

If ya don't mind tankin a couple of stats at 9s and then use +1 Tomes to balance them you end up with 20s in those without enhancements.

If ya have a 1 Point Enhancment you go for Even numbers

see what I mean?

Aesop

[Pfamily]

Well... depending on if you are planning to lvl 20 or not (which I do) and what you can possibly get and where you place your level stat increases it is often a good idea to leave stats at odd numbers.

if say you plan to just toss all points in to strength, and you plan on all the Fighter Strength Enhancements.

Top Item +6
Top Tome +5
Top Ftr Enh +3
Stat Inc +5
total end game (not assuming Racial) Bonuses +19 (+20 with Human)

This means that if you start with an 18 you end up with 37... not really worth it so ya might as well start with a 17 and take the 36 (Humans make it Worth it to get the 38...i guess)

now all the rest of your stats you have to look at the same way
+5 Tome
+6 Item
+? Enhancments

add it all together and you can see where the break points are.

If ya don't mind tankin a couple of stats at 9s and then use +1 Tomes to balance them you end up with 20s in those without enhancements.

If ya have a 1 Point Enhancment you go for Even numbers

see what I mean?

Aesop

You're right of course.

But all that planning for lvl 20 stuff gives me a headache. Who really knows what will be implemented and what won't? What stat enhancement items will exist when we get there? Will the addition of other races and classes affect the enhancement lines and stat increases? And, will stat drains be permanent if we fail something?

Ouch...
*takes an Aspirin*

Don't really want to be so negative...just have too many questions to comfortably plan for 20th lvl.

[Aesop]

You're right of course.

But all that planning for lvl 20 stuff gives me a headache. Who really knows what will be implemented and what won't? What stat enhancement items will exist when we get there? Will the addition of other races and classes affect the enhancement lines and stat increases? And, will stat drains be permanent if we fail something?

Ouch...
*takes an Aspirin*

Don't really want to be so negative...just have too many questions to comfortably plan for 20th lvl.

Yeah I know what ya mean. I'm assuming because +5 Tomes are in PnP that they'll be there and I'm assuming that they are stopping the class enhancments at +3 because to go higher would make it possible to get more than a +5 from Enhancments to a given Stat. Dex and Con are the ones that hit +5 now Str will (assuming again I know )when Hal- Orcs come into play

Aesop

[maddmatt70]

I would highly recommend at least one level if not two levels of ranger if you are doing a ranged character specialist. One level of ranger allows you to apply strength damage to bows which will add up believe me, and two levels gives you a feat... It looks like you will get your ranged char' strength to 20 if you add an +6 str enhancement item and a +1 str tome that would be 5 more damage per hit with one level of ranger which does more damage then both greater weapon spec and weapon spec combined.. I have both those feats and a couple of levels of ranger by the way...

[2p1k3]

Thank you for the advice! I really do appreciate it and I see what having a level of ranger can do for me. However I will need to find a way to get an extra feat exchange... I get one free one with the dragonmark quest thingy. However I will need to change out Point Blank Shot and Rapid Shot for something else because one level of ranger gives me both as automatic feats. Though just for quibbles sake I will be giving up the 14th level of fighter which gives me an extra feat. However with the level of ranger I am actually getting three extra feats. Just need to figure out how to get an extra thingy that Fred likes.

[WeiQuinn]

Thank you for the advice! I really do appreciate it and I see what having a level of ranger can do for me. However I will need to find a way to get an extra feat exchange... I get one free one with the dragonmark quest thingy. However I will need to change out Point Blank Shot and Rapid Shot for something else because one level of ranger gives me both as automatic feats. Though just for quibbles sake I will be giving up the 14th level of fighter which gives me an extra feat. However with the level of ranger I am actually getting three extra feats. Just need to figure out how to get an extra thingy that Fred likes.

Ranger 2 only grants Rapid Shot and Two Weapon Fighting, so no need to swap Point Blank Shot.

[Arianrhod]

I would highly recommend at least one level if not two levels of ranger if you are doing a ranged character specialist. One level of ranger allows you to apply strength damage to bows which will add up believe me, and two levels gives you a feat... It looks like you will get your ranged char' strength to 20 if you add an +6 str enhancement item and a +1 str tome that would be 5 more damage per hit with one level of ranger which does more damage then both greater weapon spec and weapon spec combined.. I have both those feats and a couple of levels of ranger by the way...

On the other hand, if they're going specifically for repeaters, and don't have a very high strength anyway, the ranger levels aren't as important. Having plenty of fighter levels for all the feats (shot on the run is rather feat intensive) can be just as important.

[2p1k3]

Ranger 2 only grants Rapid Shot and Two Weapon Fighting, so no need to swap Point Blank Shot.

kk... I thought Bow Strength was equivalent to Point Blank Shot but guess I was wrong.

[Arianrhod]

kk... I thought Bow Strength was equivalent to Point Blank Shot but guess I was wrong.

Bow strength allows you to add your strength damage to bows, but not crossbows. Point Blank Shot gives a +1 to hit with ranged weapons when within 30 feet of the target.

[maddmatt70]

he would totally need to respec this character if he went with repeaters (different feat chain really). Bows are very viable. When manyshot is on they do more dps then any ranged weapons out there. There are other benefits to taking levels of rangers for instance you can use wands (healing) and you get more skills - you do get two less hp per level and there is no way of knowing if there will be fighter level 16 feats, but I would still do it.

[2p1k3]

Bow strength allows you to add your strength damage to bows, but not crossbows. Point Blank Shot gives a +1 to hit with ranged weapons when within 30 feet of the target.

This is true but I have noticed there are some rules that they do not advertise. Like Sorcerers getting more benefit from SP enhancing items... at least I was told that but haven't seen it anywhere written in the game. Maybe it's Tooltip#313