Mooch, TWF Build

[Ozoro]

Any input is most welcome.

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Moocher 
Level 14 Neutral Good Halfling Male
(2 Fighter \ 12 Barbarian) 
Hit Points: 226
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 11
Will: 6

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 14)           (Level 14)
Strength             16                 19                   20
Dexterity            16                 17                   19
Constitution         14                 15                   16
Intelligence          8                  8                    8
Wisdom               12                 12                   12
Charisma              8                  8                    8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 14)
Balance               3                     4
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         2                     3
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  1                     1
Hide                  3                     6
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  7                    24
Listen                5                    19
Move Silently         3                     6
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                  2.5                   7
Swim                  3                     5
Tumble                3.5                   5
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting

Level 2 (Barbarian)

Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR

Level 5 (Barbarian)

Level 6 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting

Level 7 (Barbarian)

Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons

Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh

Level 10 (Barbarian)

Level 11 (Barbarian)

Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting

Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

Level 14 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Critical Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III
Enhancement: Halfling Luck I
Enhancement: Halfling Luck II
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I

[Shade]

Seems like everyone who posts a build lately wants to screw it up by multiclassing with fighter. You just don't do that, its a huge waste.

Gaining khopesh will not get your nearly as much xtra dps as crit rage II. And really heavy picks are far superior in the hands of a high dps barbarian anywyas, and you get that feat for free.

Weapon focus is a big waste too, won't make any real difference in the end game.

[wiglin]

Seems like everyone who posts a build lately wants to screw it up by multiclassing with fighter. You just don't do that, its a huge waste.

Gaining khopesh will not get your nearly as much xtra dps as crit rage II. And really heavy picks are far superior in the hands of a high dps barbarian anywyas, and you get that feat for free.

Weapon focus is a big waste too, won't make any real difference in the end game.

Agreed.

[QuantumFX]

Not to mention that you offset the innate barbarian abilities. Barbarians are one of the few melee classes (and the only one currently in DDO) that benefits from staying pure.

[Ozoro]

Well, I have a capped pure barb and I wanted to do something diffrent. I know Barbarian Rage is a fantastic ability and wanted to use it in a TWF build. But, in my mind, Barbarians just dont get the feats. All Im really losing is 1 crit range, I could quite easily drop 1 fighter lvl and go 13/1 and raise barb on the lvl cap raise.

[Geonis]

I just don't see the benefit to the levels of Fighter.

You use it to gain 2 feats: Exotic Weapon (You'd do more damage with picks), and Weapon Focus (one thing you really don't need is more to-hit).

[Ozoro]

I agree that crit rage 2 is a fantastic enhancement. You raise a good point with the heavy picks. Anyone have any idea of the to-hit or damage for each instance? (Im horrible at working it out)

[Casta]

All Im really losing is 1 crit range

But the thing is you don't gain nearly as much from any 1 or 2 feats as you get from the enhancment.

[QuantumFX]

But the thing is you don't gain nearly as much from any 1 or 2 feats as you get from the enhancment.

The first rank of that enhancement chain is greater than IC: Bludgeon...

[tihocan]

And really heavy picks are far superior in the hands of a high dps barbarian anywyas

Actually a khopesh remains slightly better than a pick due to the higher base damage. Of course if you go for static items deathnip is hard to beat.

Taking 2 levels of fighters is not necessarily a bad idea. With the level cap going up to 16, you won't miss on your crit rage 2 enhancement for too long.

[Mad_Bombardier]

Taking 2 levels of fighters is not necessarily a bad idea. With the level cap going up to 16, you won't miss on your crit rage 2 enhancement for too long.

All intermediate gains/losses aside, adding any class to Barbarian permanently locks you out from getting Mighty Rage at level 20.

[MondoGrunday]

a pure barb will definately give you the best dps build, but multiclassing is not a waste if you have other motives for your toon besides dps. taking 2 lvls of fighter will get you some nice armour feats and get the twf feat. losing out on rage crit II is a tough break but if your willing to do that to build a unique toon based on other things than just straight out dps, go for it. i went with 2 lvls of ranger for the twf feat some wand usage and a few minor bow feats. i absolutely love this toon and I'm only at 10 so far. i can kill with pure barbs and heal myself as well. i have a 16 umd and hope to have 20 by end game. be carefull of listening to feedback from people who have not multiclassed a barb. i have a pure dps toon and understand the arguement for a pure build but i also have a multiclassed barb and it boils down to weaps and playstyle more than anything else.

[ErgonomicCat]

Seems like everyone who posts a build lately wants to screw it up by multiclassing with fighter. You just don't do that, its a huge waste.

Gaining khopesh will not get your nearly as much xtra dps as crit rage II. And really heavy picks are far superior in the hands of a high dps barbarian anywyas, and you get that feat for free.

Weapon focus is a big waste too, won't make any real difference in the end game.

I just rerolled my ftr/barb for just that reason.

The Barb X/Ftr 2 combo was nice in regards to feats. And at lower levels, it's *really* nice to be able to put on +2 full plate and come out with a 22 AC at level 2.

But man, looking at what you give up at level 14 (and presumably at level 16 once the cap is raised) just made it not worth it.

I agree on Weapon Focus - in PnP, Weapon Focus is the biggest red herring there is, generally. In DDO there aren't nearly so many feats, such that it's worth it on a fighter if you're going pure fighter and have them to spare. But it's certainly not something you need to sacrifice something like Crit II for if you're not already flush with feats.

[ChildrenofBodom]

Yo Oz, I agree with what everyone else is saying. Make him a pure barb, I also have a two weapon fighting barbarian named sixxpounder. I just got him to level 11 last night and I'm loving him. Not only do you miss out on the Crit rage II enhancement, you miss out on indomitable will, which i think is a great feat. My twf barb is a dwarf tho, and he is dwarven/handaxe based since dwarves get the axe attack and damage. Good luck with your build.

[Ozoro]

In light of recent comments im going to go 14 barbarian. Drop the khopesh and drop WF. Im going to try out heavy picks and light picks and see how they work out with the huge crit multiplier.

[ChildrenofBodom]

In light of recent comments im going to go 14 barbarian. Drop the khopesh and drop WF. Im going to try out heavy picks and light picks and see how they work out with the huge crit multiplier.

DEATHNIP BUILD! DEATHNIP BUILD!!!!

[Ozoro]

DEATHNIP BUILD! DEATHNIP BUILD!!!!

rofl, that didnt even cross my mind but you raise an interesting point. more than 1 deathnip wouldnt really benifit as the seeker doesnt stack, maybe a shocking burst heavy of maiming?

[Geonis]

In light of recent comments im going to go 14 barbarian. Drop the khopesh and drop WF. Im going to try out heavy picks and light picks and see how they work out with the huge crit multiplier.

Go with Heavy/Light early on, but after about level 8-9, go heavy/heavy. A -2 to hit is a non-issue after that.

[Aeneas]

the level cap is getting expanded relatively soon, so perhaps those builds with a 2 fighter splash are about to be struck down by darth vader and come back more powerful than you can possibly imagine ...........Or still be gimped

[Sugneto]

rofl, that didnt even cross my mind but you raise an interesting point. more than 1 deathnip wouldnt really benifit as the seeker doesnt stack, maybe a shocking burst heavy of maiming?

deathnip has an expanded crit range, dual wielding them is teh win.