any pally love for new mod?

[MysticTheurge]

No, wrong. Ki and finishing moves are completely unlike 4th edition.

You misunderstand. I didn't mean "the way Ki functions in DDO" was like fourth edition so much as "Ki as a power source" is like fourth edition. (Given that they've already indicated that Ki will be a power source in fourth edition.)

Third edition monks don't have any reference to "Ki" while fourth edition already does, despite the fact that monks don't even exist yet.

[SteeleTrueheart]

It's not just Paladin stuff, but the Divine Light Cleric and Paladin enhancements have been improved, and Divine Might I - IV (at Cleric/Paladin levels 5/10/15/20) are added.

For my own greedy needs yet again.

[Lillitheris]

Divine Might [Divine]

Prerequisites:
Str 13, turn or rebuke undead ability, Power Attack.

Benefit:
As a free action, spend one of your turn or rebuke undead attempts to add your Charisma bonus to your weapon damage for 1 full round.

Wonder how they're gonna implement it. The D&D version (quoted above) would be pretty weak in DDO.

[SteeleTrueheart]

The other way around. It was considered too weak to be worthy of a feat expenditure, but is okay as an enhancement line, where one can choose how far they want to go with it.

Currently it's implemented as "Expend a turn attempt, gain a +2/+4/+6/+8 Sacred bonus to damage for one minute. Requires 14/16/18/20 (base + inherent) Charisma." It's possible that we'll change the duration to scale by Cleric/Paladin level, or alter some of the other specifics during testing.

Again because I like to look at just one thread.

[llevenbaxx]

Wonder how they're gonna implement it. The D&D version (quoted above) would be pretty weak in DDO.

If thats whats from the book Id rather them just change the duration to a minute(or two) and be done with it. Dont really like how theyre trying to impliment it as a special case type of line that needs min stat requirements. I guess it seems to me that they are entirely too careful/specific with this class and just dish out very nice/easy to use abilities/spells for the other classes without batting an eye.

Is it a paly enhancement or not? Arent PrCs supposed to be the specific, restrictive type lines? Standard type feats like this should be open to any paly and be made to easily impliment into any paly build. Kinda scares me when I think about what im going to need to do to pick up a Paly PrC.

I do hope they consider upping the duration as they say, half my clickies and spells will be half over before I get to even swing my sword.

[SteeleTrueheart]

Good guess.

Currently the plan for Fighters is (Dwarven) Defender, Kensai, and Purple Dragon Knight.

Yes, originally I had PDK listed as a Paladin one, but they went Defender of Siberys (Sealtiel), Knight of the Chalice, Hunter of the Dead. Purple Dragon Knight fit the fighters better as we started working on it.

consolidated info

[Lillitheris]

Don't like the prestige classes one bit. Both of the offensive choices (Knight of the Chalice and Hunter of the Dead) are only useful against specific monters (Evil Outsiders and Undead, respectively).

*is an angry pure paladin*

[llevenbaxx]

Don't like the prestige classes one bit. Both of the offensive choices (Knight of the Chalice and Hunter of the Dead) are only useful against specific monters (Evil Outsiders and Undead, respectively).

*is an angry pure paladin*

Depends what they make the requirements too though. If they make them relatively simple, amounting to a couple enhancement prereqs, it might be nice to use alah rangers switching out favored enemies...

if they make us pick-up things like the extra turning feat(hunter of the dead) or equally lame/useless feats to a pally... well that would just suck. Very much hoping for a favored enemy type set up though.

[Turial]

Depends what they make the requirements too though. If they make them relatively simple, amounting to a couple enhancement prereqs, it might be nice to use alah rangers switching out favored enemies...

if they make us pick-up things like the extra turning feat(hunter of the dead) or equally lame/useless feats to a pally... well that would just suck. Very much hoping for a favored enemy type set up though.

I hope its a bit more then a favored enemy type of thing though. i.e. expanded powers vs those creatures rather then just damage.

[Lillitheris]

Depends what they make the requirements too though. If they make them relatively simple, amounting to a couple enhancement prereqs, it might be nice to use alah rangers switching out favored enemies...

I hope its a bit more then a favored enemy type of thing though. i.e. expanded powers vs those creatures rather then just damage.

llevenbaxx's comparison between the prestige classes and ranger favored enemies was based on his assumption (or is it hope? ) that the paladin prestige classes will have relatively simple pre-requisites. That way it is easy for a paladin to respec his prestige class whenever he chooses to, much like the ranger can respec his favored enemy feat as necessary. He wasn't talking about the actual effects of the prestige classes (of which I'm sure (read: I hope) will be better than a mere boost to damage against a certain foe), but the pre-reqs for the enhancements

Still don't like the prestige classes. This would be more to my liking:

a) offensive (universally powerful against all monsters, not just undead or evil outsiders)
b) "beacon" (i.e. stronger auras)
c) defensive (Defender of Sealtiel will hopefully cover this one)

[Turial]

....
Still don't like the prestige classes. This would be more to my liking:

a) offensive (universally powerful against all monsters, not just undead or evil outsiders) Something like class based righteousness passive boost vs all evil creatures would be cool.
b) "beacon" (i.e. stronger auras) Perhaps debuffing auras similar to the cuse of impending blades.
c) defensive (Defender of Sealtiel will hopefully cover this one)

Those three ideas would be a good starting point. My additions for two of them in red.

[SteeleTrueheart]

Posted by me for no other reason than wild speculation.

From this exploring the Subterrane thread: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...72#post1867772

I got this dev quote:

Hey folks,

Thanks for the feedback. We decided to add extra special loot to this room in an upcoming module (when? sooooon!).

Oh and ... anyone here learn to speak giant yet?

-Flimsy

Bolded by me.

I would like to remind people of this other quote...

zigzag - *Gforged* There was mention of a Holy Avenger in the works. How will this be implemented? I'm sure pure-class (an mostly pure) Paladins will hate to see their personal weapon in the hands of 2 Rogue/10 Ranger/4 Paladin multi-class character.
Eladrin - A Holy Avenger's a special thing. You can't just hand them out to everyone.
Eladrin - I expect that a certain level of dedication will be required, and perhaps a task or two to prove your worth.
Eladrin - Not the pirate quest.
Django - Oh... I was wondering about that

Not saying anything.... but you never know.

[SteeleTrueheart]

Holy Avenger quote:

My current plan is that the more levels of Paladin you possess, the more abilities on the Holy Avenger will be unlocked. There will likely be a minimum number of Paladin levels (as yet to be determined) to get the quest to recover the item.

[SteeleTrueheart]

From the compendium (note subject to change)

Spell: Zeal
Grants the caster a 10 percent sacred bonus to attack speed, lasting 3 seconds per caster level.
School: Abjuration
Components: Somatic
Verbal
Usable Metamagic:
Paladin 2

So again it is back to level 2.
At level 16 that is 48 second attack speed boost. 96 seconds with extend.

Cant wait to test this for real to see if it actually stacks with fighter/rogue haste boost and haste spell.

[Eladrin]

The Compendium's wrong on Zeal.

It's a level 4 Paladin spell, 24 seconds + 6 per level, 10% Sacred bonus to attack speed. (Sacred stacks with fighter/rogue haste boost ["Action Point"], the haste ["Enhancement"] spell, Wind Stance ["Enhancement / Insight"], or Tempest [Currently Untyped].)

[maddmatt70]

The Compendium's wrong on Zeal.

It's a level 4 Paladin spell, 24 seconds + 6 per level, 10% Sacred bonus to attack speed. (Sacred stacks with fighter/rogue haste boost ["Action Point"], the haste ["Enhancement"] spell, Wind Stance ["Enhancement / Insight"], or Tempest [Currently Untyped].)

Eladrin, are they giving you some overtime pay.. Glad to see you up and straightening things out.

By the way one of my guildies was going to post a thank you to the developers for doing such a great job on pirate's cove, but he has only posted 3 times in 2 years so he is slow getting to it. He should eventually..

[Borror0]

The Compendium's wrong on Zeal.

It's a level 4 Paladin spell, 24 seconds + 6 per level, 10% Sacred bonus to attack speed. (Sacred stacks with fighter/rogue haste boost ["Action Point"], the haste ["Enhancement"] spell, Wind Stance ["Enhancement / Insight"], or Tempest [Currently Untyped].)

That's sad. I preferred the Compendium version. The low duration made it more interesting to be pure class but wasn't relying on being level 14 either.

[GhostNull]

No plans on changing the high Charisma requirements for Divine Might? Or the proposed duration of only 1 minute?

[SteeleTrueheart]

The Compendium's wrong on Zeal.

It's a level 4 Paladin spell, 24 seconds + 6 per level, 10% Sacred bonus to attack speed. (Sacred stacks with fighter/rogue haste boost ["Action Point"], the haste ["Enhancement"] spell, Wind Stance ["Enhancement / Insight"], or Tempest [Currently Untyped].)

Thank you for the update. I know you say it stacks now (before it is released), but I prefer to test these things for myself to be sure when it is actually live.

Being a level 4 spell though means I will not be able to test it with rogue/fighter boost until my character is level 19. C'mon MOD 9! only 7-8 months away now.....

[Solmage]

That's sad. I preferred the Compendium version. The low duration made it more interesting to be pure class but wasn't relying on being level 14 either.

I'm sorry, but Tempest was a huge mistake. I'm glad to see they learned from it. Such powerful class defining abilities should not be available to splash around. Heck people were already planning tempest paladins around this spell.

I'm glad it's going to be at least level 14.

No plans on changing the high Charisma requirements for Divine Might? Or the proposed duration of only 1 minute?

I think this balances paladins rather nicely, so that having a somewhat higher charisma vs say strength isn't gimping yourself. In particular, drow palis should be happy, while dwarven paladins will get a little benefit, they have been reaping the benefits of their high strength for quite a while.

Between Zeal and Divine Might, I think paladins are getting a HUGE boost. The PrCs are icing on a very very yummy cake. Thanks devs.