Official Raid Loot Feedback Thread - USE THIS THREAD for feedback.

[Luthen]

Can we please stop posting poeple's good luck and bad luck ?

After about 20 posts we converged to the notion that everyone agrees that the randomness means that sometimes some people will get TONS of loot and sometimes some people will get NO LOOT.

We're now at over 600 posts talking about the exact same thing we were at post # 10.

i.e. I love the new system I got TONS of loot

VS

I Hate the new system! I got NO LOOT!!!!


Enough with this debate. Focus on the fact that SOME are getting tons of loot and SOME are getting no loot and the potential effects that this will have on the DDO community. Especially like one person mentioned with regards to new players that get to kill a RED DRAGON! Maybe even two, three, four or Five times and see no loot at all in the chest.

The new player then tells the more experienced player " So why do we put so much time and effort into killing a red dragon that drops the same loot that comes from Threnal chests ?"

No they shouldn't stop posting their good and bad luck. Why you might ask? Because amongst the discussion about raid loot drops here on this thread we've also been asking people to keep posting raiod results. The more results we give the Devs the more information we have to support or debate any arguments. The discussion you bring up is still here and still under discussion but it is not the only topic being checked into right now.

[gpk]

Lailat elite: 9 ppl, 1 loot

[xberto]

I've been on 7 elite and 2 norm raids since the loot changes. The first 4 raids i didnt pull any named but the 3 out of the last 5 dropped names for me! My Barbarian pulled a SoS.

I LIKE THE NEW LOOT SYTEM!

[Lorien_the_First_One]

No they shouldn't stop posting their good and bad luck. Why you might ask? Because amongst the discussion about raid loot drops here on this thread we've also been asking people to keep posting raiod results. The more results we give the Devs the more information we have to support or debate any arguments. The discussion you bring up is still here and still under discussion but it is not the only topic being checked into right now.

Do you not think that the Devs have logs that they can run queries against and get the actual facts and not randomly reported unreliable data given here by a limited subset of the population who has a reason to lie?


Fine you want stats....

I'm at I think 5 raids since the new system, all with 10-12 people on elite. 1 run with 1 item, 2 with 2, 1 with 3, 1 with 4, and two nights ago a Reaver raid dropped 7 items

[geoffhanna]

Three Reaver raids Monday night all on Normal, all 12-man

#1: 4 drops
#2: 3 drops
#3: 4 drops

One of the drops in raid #2 - not my pull sadly - was a +3 INT tome. Two of my characters both pulled the Madstone Shield. Neither wanted it though one put it in the bank just in case .

[geoffhanna]

One interesting note occurs to me... I've seen an awful lot of Reaver raid loot since the mechanics change... but no Napkin?

That's just me, right?

p.s. the Reaver raid sweet spot really seems to be running on Normal. Could easily be coincidental (almost certainly is) but I get more raid loot! And obviously its a lot easier to get too...

[SaberMonkey]

DQ, normal, 6 man, no Raid loot.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

One interesting note occurs to me... I've seen an awful lot of Reaver raid loot since the mechanics change... but no Napkin?

Yup, I've seen 2 napkins since the change.

[barecm]

DQ Elite last night:

12 man - 1 item


To date, I have run the Dragon, the DQ and the Reaver 4 times each. I have not seen anything higher than 2 pieces of Raid loot drop. All groups were more than 8 and most were 12.

[Cinwulf]

Reaver elite 12 man - 1 item

[lostinjapan]

Do you not think that the Devs have logs that they can run queries against and get the actual facts and not randomly reported unreliable data given here by a limited subset of the population who has a reason to lie?


Fine you want stats....

I'm at I think 5 raids since the new system, all with 10-12 people on elite. 1 run with 1 item, 2 with 2, 1 with 3, 1 with 4, and two nights ago a Reaver raid dropped 7 items

And I'm at the same number of raids, same amt of people, same setting, and every raid was 0-2 items. So what? That's not the issue. The issue is perception.

Different people are pulling different amounts, ranging from the good to the bad to the truly ugly.

The current loot system is bad. It may be better than the old system, but it is still bad. As has been pointed out, all it takes is one 0 raid loot run to really make a lot of people feel like...why bother?

[SaberMonkey]

If your still taking stats. Did 2 Reaver Raids today, Elite, 12 man, 3 items both times.

[DoctorWhofan]

More stats:

Titan elite PuG

5 items
coin, robe, belt, +2 tome (not sure what it was), and ring.

I gotthe ring, and had people roll for it cuz I didn't need it.

[Boulderun]

dragon 12 elite

cloak, helm, belt, gloves x2

The gloves and cloak do not count, of course. We really should be adjusting for the trash items that are technically "raid loot."

[Luthen]

Well for some accumulated raids over the past few weeks I and my guild have seen:

Reaver 12 man Normal - 0
Reaver 10 man Normal - 1
Reaver 7 man Normal - 2
Reaver 5 man Normal - 0
Reaver 4 man Normal - 1

Titan 11 man Normal - 1

Reaver 10 man Normal - 3
Reaver 10 man Normal - 0
Reaver 7 man Normal - 1
Reaver 8 man Normal - 0
Reaver 6 man Normal - 2

Titan 9 man Normal - 0

Reaver 11 man Normal - 1
Reaver 11 man Normal - 2
Reaver 8 man Normal - 0
Reaver 7 man Normal - 0
Reaver 5 man Normal - 1

Titan 10 man Normal - 0

Continue to say it's bad luck or whatever. No raid should ever result in no raid item dropped.

[Luthen]

Well... it seems this thread has gone the way of so many. Completely ignored as far as responses from Devs or even aknowlegment of our concerns. What happens? the thread dies because people give up fighting for a lost cause. Nice PR move. You'll notice this was never an attack thread. This was a thread begging for some much needed attention but the status quo from you guys was to not reply at all and just let it die and hope we just got on with our gaming and forgot about this stuff.

Nice job guys.

[SaberMonkey]

I'll still add a couple raids.

Reaver Elite 12 people, 1 piece.
Reaver Elite 12 People, 2 pieces.

[Dirac]

Well... it seems this thread has gone the way of so many. Completely ignored as far as responses from Devs or even aknowlegment of our concerns. What happens? the thread dies because people give up fighting for a lost cause. Nice PR move. You'll notice this was never an attack thread. This was a thread begging for some much needed attention but the status quo from you guys was to not reply at all and just let it die and hope we just got on with our gaming and forgot about this stuff.

Nice job guys.

I haven't given up hope; they may be reading but not have anything to add. I'm thinking it is still a major discussion in development, and they just haven't decided what to do yet. Hopefully, we will see their proposal in a new WDA soon.

[Souless]

There is an additional addendum to this raid system....
If I get loot assign it to someone who has recalled NO ONE CAN GET THAT ITEM....so that further reduces the odds of looting. This happened to our team in last night's reaver raid
12 man elite 3 items (i think) bracers, boots, and dreamspitter.
One of the party members tried to give the mage in group the spitter and assigned it to someone who had recalled....so there sat Dreamspitter in a chest with 7 ppl looking at it and it was UNLOOTABLE!

the devs need to at least fix this (maybe removing the names of ppl that recall)

[Gelandor]

2 Reaver elite runs today.

12 People - No items.
11 People - 1 Item. (Madstone Boots)