Official Raid Loot Feedback Thread - USE THIS THREAD for feedback.

[Luthen]

Still no Dev participation here. Kind of disapointing. So that whole Town meeting thing was what? So you could hear from those who don't come to the forums exactly what has been being told to you for a long time now? Could we get a little participation here? You Devs are the ones who merged these threads. How about now you show us you're hearing what's being said here.

[stockwizard5]

I will repeat yet again what I have been saying about this loot issue since the change was announced.

It does not matter what the statistical drop rate really is - it only matters what players think. I new player running dragon for the first time used to see 2 items and have the potential (under most systems) to roll for one.

That is had a chance for loot.

Under the new system they might see more items drop but really from their perspective still have a chance at an item - but they might see no items drop. First Velah kill no items - or put different - Dragon Horde with NO LOOT. How can a dragon have no loot?

I have already had to explain the new mechanic multiple times to new players to try and eleviate their disappointment - that cannot be a good thing.

Hardcore don't like it for real statistical reasons - some casual players don't like it for perception reasons (if they are unlucky).

The other problem is human nature - players remember getting unlucky more than they remember getting lucky. The old system had something called consistency - flawed perhaps - but consistent and fair.

[Dirac]

Titan raid elite 11 man- 0
Reaver raid elite 12 man- 0

There needs to be a minimum amount of drop. There was a person who ran this the first time. It was so anti-clamatic. Good first impressions here.

Again, I think this is the most important issue. These sorts of things have an overly negative impact on peoples' perception of the fun they are having with the game. This leads to people playing less, can add to the factors for people leaving.

Luthen, it is dissapointing that we are not getting a Dev conversation. They also do not seem to be merging the other threads in here any more that obviously should be. Hopefully, they are at least still reading it.

[Pfamily]

Reaver, 12-man, 3 pieces of raid loot fell AND a +3 Dex tome.

Can I have those dice back please?

[Gambit]

Still no Dev participation here. Kind of disapointing. So that whole Town meeting thing was what? So you could hear from those who don't come to the forums exactly what has been being told to you for a long time now? Could we get a little participation here? You Devs are the ones who merged these threads. How about now you show us you're hearing what's being said here.

Thank you Luthen for putting this thread together and calling the devs to task! I am really glad that people are speaking out and hopefully Turbine will listen to us. I like playing with my small group of friends and to think that (running raids = no possible raid loot) is just crazy. The odds are now stacked against us and to make a change like this a little over a year and a half into the game is just a slap in the face to this dedicated ddo'er.

[SpanishBlueEyes]

No thank you.

Maybe the drop rate should be examine but the old loot system was evil and should never be seen again.

I totally agree with lorien. I think it feels more fair this way than the old system. Plus would you keep on doing the raids after you got the raid items you wanted on every run or even every other run. Yes it does look like there was a streak of bad luck which i have alot but i know if i got them off the bat i know i would not do some raids again like the DQ because i like to be lazy and just enter the raid instead of doing all the quests again.

[wiglin]

I totally agree with lorien. I think it feels more fair this way than the old system. Plus would you keep on doing the raids after you got the raid items you wanted on every run or even every other run. Yes it does look like there was a streak of bad luck which i have alot but i know if i got them off the bat i know i would not do some raids again like the DQ because i like to be lazy and just enter the raid instead of doing all the quests again.

If I had every raid item I needed I would still be doing the raids under the old system to help my guild friends get their items, but now we are losing interest because of getting nothing but vendor trash.

[Wertik]

While I can say that I have experieced the same problem of running a 6-12 man titan raid and not getting one raid item to drop. Isn't the whole idea that once you have run it 20 times you pick what you want?

[Boldrin]

People who raid often are definitely better off than casual raiders with the new loot system. I have seen 5 items drop in 5 or 6 different reaver elite raids. 6 items once, and 3 or 4 many times. I have also seen none and 1 or 2. It all equals out. You have to realize that each person going into the raid has a 1 in 4 chance on elite. Which is individually rolled for each person, has nothing to do with the amount of people or anything else. So a batch of 12 bad rolls is going to happen from time to time. How many times have you been trying to do something and roll 4 or 5 1s and 2s in a row?? I know I have, no loot is just bad luck.

[Ninety]

Sat 20, 12 person dragon: 6 items.
Sat 20, 12 person titan: 5 items
Sun 21, 9 person abbot: 0 items
Sun 21, 12 person reaver: 1 item

[Gornin]

Reaver elite - 12 person - 1 piece
Reaver elite - 12 person - 1 piece
Dragon normal - 12 person - 1 piece

That was what I saw over the weekend.

[Luthen]

I am not being rude. I am not breaking rules. I am not being unreasonable. Can a Dev please come start a dialouge with us. Merging this thread was YOUR IDEA!!! Not ours. If the only reason was to save space then maby we should encourage our peers to begin posting their own thoughts in seperate threads again. Maby the frequency of threads instead of frequency of posts, will get a response and some interacvtion on your part.

We've really been asking pretty nicely for the most part. Some participation please.

[Luthen]

I'll make it easy. Here are some questions you could answer for us.

1: Does the Dev team have any idea whether or not they will be adjusting the drop rates on elite setting?

2: Do the Devs plan on redoing the loot system to reincorporate some type of minimum drop rate?

3: Is the Dev team actually reading this and deciding not to reply because they do not have an answer yet?

4: Has any of the information we've been providing been used in some type of decision making process?

Not much but that's a start I guess.

[Impaqt]

ANd then things like this happen.....

Reaver Elite 11 In the party

Treason
Treason
Madstone Boots
Ventilated Bracers
Cloudburst
Dreamspitter
Tenderizer

Yup.. SEVEN Items...... I think a Couple Guildies got screenshots....

[MysticTheurge]

3: Is the Dev team actually reading this and deciding not to reply because they do not have an answer yet?

Quoted for the Win-ness.

[reziel_deadshot]

lol, ok i don't mean to brag but i was doing a 12man reaver raid on elite, and 7 raid items dropped, 1 +3 dex tome,

titan raid elite (11man)-5items, +2 wis tome

dragon raid elite (7man)- 2 items.

abbot raid (12 man normal)- 2 items

deamon queen run - (9 man hard) - 3 items

sorry i dont mind the new raid loot system..to be honest i really have no need for raid loot even though most people do, im personally only in it for the +3 tomes now but i guess we have been having lucky rolls or something..

[Cinwulf]

12 man reaver elite - 1 item

[Drith]

Can we please stop posting poeple's good luck and bad luck ?

After about 20 posts we converged to the notion that everyone agrees that the randomness means that sometimes some people will get TONS of loot and sometimes some people will get NO LOOT.

We're now at over 600 posts talking about the exact same thing we were at post # 10.

i.e. I love the new system I got TONS of loot

VS

I Hate the new system! I got NO LOOT!!!!


Enough with this debate. Focus on the fact that SOME are getting tons of loot and SOME are getting no loot and the potential effects that this will have on the DDO community. Especially like one person mentioned with regards to new players that get to kill a RED DRAGON! Maybe even two, three, four or Five times and see no loot at all in the chest.

The new player then tells the more experienced player " So why do we put so much time and effort into killing a red dragon that drops the same loot that comes from Threnal chests ?"

[Snike]

Focus on the fact that SOME are getting tons of loot and SOME are getting no loot and the potential effects that this will have on the DDO community. Especially like one person mentioned with regards to new players that get to kill a RED DRAGON! Maybe even two, three, four or Five times and see no loot at all in the chest.

Kinda like the old, where I ran 10 raids before winning a roll, and having someone "accidentally" loot the wrong item? But having a blast raiding with 12!! people.

And then coming back to the game after a long break and getting a ton of raid loot because people are farming raids with 2-4 people as fast and as often as they can. And feeling "cheap" doing it?

The new player then tells the more experienced player " So why do we put so much time and effort into killing a red dragon that drops the same loot that comes from Threnal chests ?"

To group and raid with a lot of people and for the chance to get raid loot. Just like the old system used to be, and not having to worry about losing your chance.

[Vendra]

Reaver Normal 12 man. 5 pieces dropped. (cloudburst, 2 heads, amulet, tenderizer)
Reaver Elite 12 man. 0 drops.