Any sorcerer out there considering Force of Personality?

[MrCow]

So I was looking through the 10/08/07 weekly development article and came across this as part of the stuff planned for module 6:

Force of Personality

* Prerequisite: Cha 13
* Benefit: Picks the highest modifier between your charisma and your wisdom
* modifier for your will saves.

Now I'm just curious, how many of you would consider this feat (being it primarily benefits sorcerers and bards)? I realize that the biggest issue with this feat is simply the fact that the CHA based classes have few feats to choose from. From what I can see this feat will give most sorcerers the following:

• A higher will save, about +7 from what the common equipment is for the full CHA and no WIS builds.
• No need to wear a WIS item, thus freeing up a slot.

Not too much to look at I guess if you don't have issues with will saves. I know that on my Warforged Sorcerer that feebleminded is a common issue and this would be the remedy (as it would boost my typical will save by +11). Its going on as soon as I get level 15.



So, what are your thoughts on Force of Personality?

[Stravkos]

Definitely for me. As a human, I'll just swap my SF: UMD. It seems a significant portion of dangerous spells in the game are will based, and getting a +8 or more bonus sounds great.

[jkm]

i think the extra human feat is the key. on our battlemage builds, it makes a ton of sense if you have the extra feat. especially since they are so starved for slots.

[Mhykke]

It is tempting.
Will have to take a look at my feats now, don't think I can give any up.....and the feats I was planning to choose among when lvl cap increased.

[redoubt]

Sounds nice... fits into the sorcerer bonus feat slot right?

Seriously though... I'm already way short on feats. My guy can't afford that one.

[Mad_Bombardier]

Sounds nice... fits into the sorcerer bonus feat slot right?

Seriously though... I'm already way short on feats. My guy can't afford that one.

That was my assumption. Maybe at level 1 for a Human Sorc?

[maddong]

I don't know....

I have max/emp/heighten/enlarge.
Spell pen/greater spell pen.

I find all of those useful. If I get more defense I feel like it gimps me as a mage.

[Jaywade]

I like the feat...I see it more usefull for those that spash pally....think of the 11/3 rogue/pally taking this feat...all of a sudden his one weakness (low will saves) is removed ..... the fighter/pally types same thing..... onther think to think about the "jellybean" build barb(elf barb using rapiers) go Drow and spash 2 lvl's or rogue for evasion and umd abilty all of sudden you could also have strong will saves....lot's of nice things to do and I would think that all WF sorc's would want to take this..

[Dariuss]

i liek it alot - just not sure what feat I can give up for it

[Alavatar]

I'll probably pick it up at L15.

[jkm]

I like the feat...I see it more usefull for those that spash pally....think of the 11/3 rogue/pally taking this feat...all of a sudden his one weakness (low will saves) is removed ..... the fighter/pally types same thing..... onther think to think about the "jellybean" build barb(elf barb using rapiers) go Drow and spash 2 lvl's or rogue for evasion and umd abilty all of sudden you could also have strong will saves....lot's of nice things to do and I would think that all WF sorc's would want to take this..

the jellybean build is highly dependant on critical rage which requires 11 and 13 barb

[jaitee]

its prolly a waste of a feat, my opinion, while sorcs who pick it up will have 8 more will save, ill be able to pick up another better usefull, feat

[Geonis]

Well, on my Sorc it would be an 11 point swing for my will save (from Wis 8/-1 to Cha 30/+10). I still don't know if it's worth it. I just last night dropped some of the SP enhancements, but I don't know if I could afford to lose MT/IMT, and I definitely can't drop Maximize or Empower. I might be able to lose Extend, but for Haste and Displacement it's kind of hard to live without. Since my Sorc is not human, that's all my feats. I would like to have it, but it's a real tough tradeoff.

The other circumstance is my Pally. My lowest save ~+22 is Will. Taking this feat would raise my will save 6 points. I think I have a feat I can swap out on that character.

[Blind_Skwerl]

It may be good for the battle sorcs out there, but for a pure sorc, I'll stick with my metamagics and penetration feats. I don't have to worry about a will save if everything is dead.

[Partymaker]

With my Sorc lvl14, I was already wondering if I wouldn't go for two levels of pally lvl 15-16 to get an awesome +12 to all my saves. Now add this feat to the 2 levels of pally and it'd give:

+12 Fortitude
+12 Reflex
+25 Will (+12 from my Pally ability and +13 for the feat (34 cha for 8 WIS).

I would sure be one spell lvl behind all the time but as much as I hate multiclass builds, especially with casters.... I can't say it wouldn't be a good thing

[Makdar]

I agree with Maddong. Pure sorcerers are about offense, not defense. Although, will save is the only kind of defense that makes any sense for a sorcerer, it's still probably better to streghthen your strong suit.

That being said, I'll still take a long hard look at it and then probably go with something else for my lvl 15 feat on my sorc.

[MrWizard]

no

[Strakeln]

On my sorc, I don't really pay attention to AC or saves.

I just don't let anything survive long enough to force me to make a will save. Cornering a sorcerer is more dangerous than cornering a cat.

[nbhs275]

i will be taking it on my bard, though i am not sure if i will have space to fit it in for feats. It is my first choice for my level 15 feat. going from a 20 will save at 14, to 30 at level 16, is going to be great.

[Lizardgrad89]

My Drow Sorc will use the feat. Actually, I'm afraid I will have no choice.

I suspect MOD 6 is going to have some very strong casters who will spam spells with a will save, and this feat is being put out as a way to offset that.

The one thing the Dev's have shown is that they don't want the game to be "easy", and frankly, this feat, as things stand, will make Sorcs practically impervious to daze, fear, sleep, hold, etc. That isn't something the Dev's would look to do.

No, I see a lot of ugly enchantments coming our way in Mod 6 (and beyond), and this is our chance to stay afloat.


I don't know about the impact on Rogues. Unless you've gimped wisdom (and spot as well), I can't see the difference between Wisdom and Charisma being great enough to warrant using a feat for this.