Black Abbot Raid Closed.

[Chelsa]

"The Legion doth protest too much, methinks."

--From DDO Hamlet (III, ii, 239)

[Litz]

Something I'm not understanding is the attitude from people who think using an error in the code is thier right since someone else messed up. While some feel I am too harsh on the QA people (from other threads), I'm also upset at the people who abuse these errors. I understand the difference between acidentally abusing it, and purposefully abusing it. I feel turbine was right in giving warnings to people. This is letting them know that they could be banned. Its up to them to decide if they are going to break the rules. The "Warning" in this case I don't feel should be an accusation that you have done things wrong as much as its putting you on notice of the problem.. Then the people that feel they are entitled to use the error in thier favor question why people like me want to point out the problem as if its none of our buisness.

Like trafic (going home soon) when you see someone speeding down the highway at say 100MPH. Its his car, he didn't hit you, your not the one going to get the ticket why should you care and call the police on him? Well a mile down the road he flips the car causes a truck to jackknife and you end up spending a hour and a half on a trip that should take 20min you will ask yourself why didn't I call in.

Exploiting the game effects everyone either directly or indirectly.. Be real and play the game fairly and you'll have fun (most the time). There isn't a need to do it.. As much as people want to hear more from me sorry.. Going home.. see you in game

[ccheath776]

Oh well none the less at least I am happy that most the player base will never be good enough for that raid (until the nerf it).

BUWAHAHAHAHAAH!!!! You have not, any idea of my or anyone elses playing ability.
Im glad your not ashamed of exploiting and convinced of the inability of other players. I needed a good laugh.

Those who were not ashamed should be banned but that is not for me to decide. You know exactly what your were doing and it is your own consious you will have to deal with. As for me I sleep very good at night. Thank you.

I am not one to tell anyone how to play but the ignoring of the rules as can be read in the EULA is pretty blatant. And I will leave it at that. I dont need infraction points and this thread is definately not worth getting them. Time to go my friends, i leave on a happy note. Debate is very good for the soul.

[pana]

wow litz can you tell the kettle that the pot is also made of cast iron.

[Litz]

wow litz can you tell the kettle that the pot is also made of cast iron.

No he wont listen..

[Quarion]

We certainly realize that closing this quest and even the existence of the bug was a disappointment to many of you.

Rest assured we're working on fixing it, and we appreciate your patience.

Mystic, yes, there is only one quest closed.

While the quest timer is indeed broken, and we'd prefer not to allow users to repeat the raid over and over, we do not consider that issue alone, a punishable offense. There were other issues that players could use to gain unfair advantage, which were very clearly an exploit, and anyone utilizing would know that it is not allowed, nor meant to be done, and that doing so would be violating the Terms of Service.

I hope this clears up any questions there might be.

Let me remind everyone that discussing details of an exploit, even those no longer available are against the forum guidelines, so lets keep details to yourselves so you can continue posting here

-Thanks!
Quarion

[Gambit]

We certainly realize that closing this quest and even the existence of the bug was a disappointment to many of you.

Rest assured we're working on fixing it, and we appreciate your patience.

Mystic, yes, there is only one quest closed.

While the quest timer is indeed broken, and we'd prefer not to allow users to repeat the raid over and over, we do not consider that issue alone, a punishable offense. There were other issues that players could use to gain unfair advantage, which were very clearly an exploit, and anyone utilizing would know that it is not allowed, nor meant to be done, and that doing so would be violating the Terms of Service.

I hope this clears up any questions there might be.

Let me remind everyone that discussing details of an exploit, even those no longer available are against the forum guidelines, so lets keep details to yourselves so you can continue posting here

-Thanks!
Quarion

So what you are saying is that if something is broken that would allow you to repeat a quest that should not be repeated over and over again, *that* repeating said quest over and over again is not a punishable offense!!! Thanks for clearing that up!

[Hydro]

While the quest timer is indeed broken, and we'd prefer not to allow users to repeat the raid over and over, we do not consider that issue alone, a punishable offense.
-Thanks!
Quarion

No one in the raids we did exploited anything inside the mission. Do you think it would be possible that the people that were doing the raids that recieved threatening letters could possibly get there name removed from the "Exploiter" list. Or possibly even an apology?

[loki523]

While the quest timer is indeed broken, and we'd prefer not to allow users to repeat the raid over and over, we do not consider that issue alone, a punishable offense.

Thanks for clearing this up Quarion.

Just...can't...resist...any...longer....

PWND!

[Quarion]

Nope, not saying that at all.

I'm saying that in that was the situation in THIS case, with the raid timer being non-existent, and ONLY the non-existent raid timer.

-Quarion

So what you are saying is that if something is broken that would allow you to repeat a quest that should not be repeated over and over again, *that* repeating said quest over and over again is not a punishable offense!!! Thanks for clearing that up!

[ccheath776]

Nope, not saying that at all.

I'm saying that in that was the situation in THIS case, with the raid timer being non-existent, and ONLY the non-existent raid timer.

-Quarion

In other words. The raid timer was was the bug. repeating it over and over again was not exploitation.

repeating it over and over again when the raid timer is broken... is anyones guess. but people were given warnings and I saw the e-mails. So it was well known WHAt the exploit was. Whatever that was which will be forever known as the exploit that shall not be named or those we do not speak of.

This raid is forbidden, we do not show this raid or speak of those who must not be spoken of.

People did it, lots of people did so and those who did know who they are. My complete amusement is those who did so, advertised they did so, were not ashamed of it and are now defending it.
cheating is cheating. So dont get too amused despite what quarion says loki.

[Riddikulus]

I can't speak for everyone else but I know that If Turbine would of said that the timer on the raid was broken and to please not repeat it more than once every three days I would of only ran it once.

They never told us, that's the problem.

They never talk about exploits... it's an open invitation to cheat. This one may be easy to track down if they wanted to spend the GM time to enforce it but there are lots of others that are probably not so easy so they just adopt the fight club mentality on all of them.

I've done a grand total of 25 raids or so (across all characters and all raids) and I know what the timer is supposed to be. For anyone who raids even more frequently to say "I didn't know it was wrong" is being disingenuous.

[Impaqt]

Read between the lines folks.... There is/Was an additional exploit besides the timer issue that caused the closure.

I really dont understand why poeple who did nothing wrong feel the need to adamantly defend themselvse though....

I for one am glad its clsed for the weekend.. I admit the raids been kickin my butt and could use some time off.

[Gratch]

There was a group once that exploited around a raid timer... but they were exploiting to get around it... they did get perm entire account banned.

[dragnmoon]

We certainly realize that closing this quest and even the existence of the bug was a disappointment to many of you.

Rest assured we're working on fixing it, and we appreciate your patience.

Mystic, yes, there is only one quest closed.

While the quest timer is indeed broken, and we'd prefer not to allow users to repeat the raid over and over, we do not consider that issue alone, a punishable offense. There were other issues that players could use to gain unfair advantage, which were very clearly an exploit, and anyone utilizing would know that it is not allowed, nor meant to be done, and that doing so would be violating the Terms of Service.

I hope this clears up any questions there might be.

Let me remind everyone that discussing details of an exploit, even those no longer available are against the forum guidelines, so lets keep details to yourselves so you can continue posting here

-Thanks!
Quarion

Thank you for clearing that up Quarion.

Though I may not agree with turbines policy on this, I have no choice but to.

[darkrune]

Just...can't...resist...any...longer....

PWND!

Isnt this the kind of attitude that there was a post closed about the other day that "everyone is picking on Legion cause we the best"?? The only thing that I am seeing in this post is that Legion is the best at trying to insight other people to attack them and plead "we are the ones who are being wronged" and exploiting the HECK out of bugs that are in the game case and point :

and yes i raided it i have 9 completions. I feel as if i did nothing wrong either. As i stated it is not my responsiblity to know there is a timer or not. That is the programmers. furthermore i dont care if they added a timer and let the raid stand. I care they had a whole week to fix it and they close shop for the weekend, POOR Peformance turbine indeed.

So correct me if my opinion is wrong but as a person that clearly states that they have been playing since beta blah blah blah you KNOW well that there are always timers associated with Mod raids and that somehow even IF you even bug reported it (which I seriously doubt you did) that you continued to run it and no doubt let as many people that you could know how to do it as well. And now that the Developers have caught on and closed the quest you all are screaming bloody murder saying woe is me the righteous one who bugged reported it yet ran it 9 times and i did nothing wrong... come on grow up... noone cares if you are the first or last only if you cheated to get there... IMO Legion is the Barry Bonds of DDO all your stats are so jacked on roids (exploits) that everything you say should have an *

Just my 2 cp though take it or leave it.

Darkrune

Waiting for AOC or whatever the heck game is coming along to take the whiners of legion away from this one so the rest of us can still enjoy the game without them...

[Jaywade]

My wish because of this.
Ban the people that exploited.
Then take away all of the hundreds of pieces of raid loot the people attained because of it.
Yu want to screw up the system destroy balance and exploit a quest. Go play solitaire or something like it. DDO is no exploiters zone.

I'm a johnie come lately to this but Sir you are so wrong it is insane..... people you reported were told don;t worry about it, if turbine didn;t have a problem w/ it why should you....I believe they still had to complete a sigil so it's not like they could just rinse and repeat....no one pulled hundreds of pieces of loot... pana said 9 completions what do you wana bet that less then 15 pieces total drop for those 9 completions...no balance was screw up even if they did get 50 pieces of loot how in the world does that change your game play...... folks grow up...of course if you are not adults I understand

[Quarion]

Since we can't keep this a friendly discussion, I'm closing it.