Black Abbot Raid Closed.

[Hydro]

The bug was an exploit. You dont know how ignorant anybody makes themselves sound by stating "Well I didnt know it was an exploit therefore it was not.."
Well I can apply that in other places.
"I didn't know murder was against the law therefore it isn't.."
Dumb statement huh?
Comon, nobody in DDO is that dense to assume that being able to repeat a Raid multiple times was intended to operate that way. And then to make it worse people got warnings and kept RIGHT ON DOING IT believing that it still was not an exploit. UNbelievable.

Repeating a raid quest like the abbott is disrupting game play.
WHY? because those players who did it probably got every black abbot named raid loot that was available.
So expect that you will see a minority of players walking around decked out in uber loot thanks to this little problem.
IMO. I say remove all of the black named loot from every players inventory and start over at 0. Those who exploited ban them. Thats all I got to say about that.

You know I used to play a game called Battlefield 2142. You know why I do not anymore, because of the overadbundance of cheaters and exploiters in that game. And the unwillingness of the development company DICE to fix it. It just kept reminding me of the degredation of society that there are people who just do not want to play fairly and will cheat whenever possible. So I stopped playing.
Not accusing people in DDO as cheaters but you have to raise an eyebrow at people who defend or continued to defend this exploit. Specially with a naive statement like "We didn't know it was an exploit..."

Players, especially the more expeirenced ones should have known better.

Have you ever repeated a mission in DDO?

Have you ever not read a NPC dialog?

Has DDO ever suprised you with a quest not acting the way you expected?

Oh and if you really think some raid loot from the new raid is really going to unbalance this game, you are sadly mistaken. There's really only once piece of raid loot that imbalances the game and that's the Sword of Shadows. Of all the raid loot I saw most of it was good but hardly game breaking.

[Riddikulus]

Again, it is impossible to know if an NPC giving you a quest is a game error, miscue, or bug or whether repeating the quest gives players an advantage that is unintended without an official say-so from Turbine. It is NOT the players' job or responsibility to make these assumptions.

And that's why it's closed.

Repeatedly deleting the threads wasn't enough to keep a lid on it... it was just too obvious.

People were still doing it so Turbine had no choice except to start enforcement action by threatening/banning people or closing it.

I think they made the right choice.

[MysticTheurge]

cant fight city hall!

Some game should make a quest where an evil building-o-mancer takes over city hall causing it to come to life and start terrorizing the city.

Then you'd have to fight City Hall.

[Qzipoun]

You dont know how ignorant anybody makes themselves sound by stating "Well I didnt know it was an exploit therefore it was not.."

QFT.

[Hydro]

I can't speak for everyone else but I know that If Turbine would of said that the timer on the raid was broken and to please not repeat it more than once every three days I would of only ran it once.

They never told us, that's the problem.

[loki523]

but the vast majority of players who could run a raid over and over for cool loot would do so

Especially if they ASKED first and were given permission LOL.

As far as the loot goes, NOBODY in the game has run the raid more than 10 times, probably half of that resulted in zero loot, one piece, or duplicates of junk pieces. I imagine that only half of the raid loot has been seen thusfar. But again, here's a case of people flipping out over stuff they can't understand because they have NO idea what the facts are...

I also find it hilarious to see the same people on one thread complaining about the new raid loot system because it barely drops any loot (true) and then coming here pointing fingers and claiming things like people "probably have every piece of raid loot in the game" from doing less than a dozen runs. Too funny.

For the record, I haven't seen any Tomes drop in the Abbot either. It's supposed to be the hardest raid so you would think some would drop. Maybe the tome drop in there is broken too and they should fix that then go back and give us some tomes.

[Kerr]

I want to know just one thing. If the 'exploit' was to be able to repeat it immediately, then how did Turbine let that into production? Is your QA that poor? That's something that should have taken your QA folks exactly 2 seconds to check. It's the Whisperdoom banner situation all over again. A little competent QA would have discovered this.

Brush up on your QA Turbine.

[ccheath776]

Buy whatever you want. Nobody cares about selling you anything.






Actually we can certainly "come off" this way and we don't even need to try. That's because we weren't in the wrong. That's a fact. And for those of you who are refusing to read what's been posted, nobody (from Legion at least, or that I know of) is upset with Turbine for fixing the raid timer. Pana and I are pretty upset that they chose to shut down the raid on a weekend to do it. Should have been done this week...



First, they would have had to take it offline to fix it period. Second, we reported the bug and spoke to Turbine about it before we took any action which could be considered exploiting.

So far I'm definately seeing a bunch of jealous people here who can't even beat the raid posting about something that isn't any of their business and crying about someone else doing something that impacted them in no way, all the while being totally and completely ignorant of the facts concerning the matter, which is understandable because, again, it's none of their business. Pretty weak...

Loki feel very lucky you dont play in other games.
Turbine is being VERY lenient with this situation.
If you played another game your inventory would have been reset, all your characters erased and you would have been set back to first level.

So they are being very lenient. Just thought you should know that.

[jjflanigan]

So far I'm definately seeing a bunch of jealous people here who can't even beat the raid posting about something that isn't any of their business and crying about someone else doing something that impacted them in no way, all the while being totally and completely ignorant of the facts concerning the matter, which is understandable because, again, it's none of their business. Pretty weak...

Jealous because you found a way to abuse an error in the game to let your characters profit from it? Not likely. I've not even complete my sigil yet, I'm in no rush. I was proud to be on the server of the first guild to beat the raid.

[Qzipoun]

Hmmm.... remember when mod 4 came out and the reaver could NOT be repeated?

Ironic isn't it .

[loki523]

We have been watched on how we do the raid, our play style, and such by both other guilds and by the eye in the sky. So there is nothing to prove to any of you guys

QFT

[ccheath776]

Have you ever repeated a mission in DDO?

Have you ever not read a NPC dialog?

Has DDO ever suprised you with a quest not acting the way you expected?

Oh and if you really think some raid loot from the new raid is really going to unbalance this game, you are sadly mistaken. There's really only once piece of raid loot that imbalances the game and that's the Sword of Shadows. Of all the raid loot I saw most of it was good but hardly game breaking.

Yu are joking me right?
Thats like saying have you ever looked at an open door to someones house before?
Yes I have but I never went in and stole everything from their house. I just kept on walking.

Did you just NOT understand that after you got the warning, maybe this was an exploit. Did you not understand that a raid timer that doesn't reset for 3 days may be an exploit?

Yu also just admitted you were one of the ones. Sheesh. This is not worth the energy to type anymore I will let your loss reality in your words do the talking.

[MysticTheurge]

Again, it is impossible to know if an NPC giving you a quest is a game error, miscue, or bug or whether repeating the quest gives players an advantage that is unintended without an official say-so from Turbine. It is NOT the players' job or responsibility to make these assumptions.

Show in the following sentence where it discusses the fact that you have to know it's a bug for it to count against you:

18. You will not exploit, distribute or publicly communicate any game error, miscue or bug which gives an unintended advantage within the Game world.

I mean it could say "You will not knowingly exploit, distribute or publicly communicate..." but it doesn't.

[ccheath776]

I can't speak for everyone else but I know that If Turbine would of said that the timer on the raid was broken and to please not repeat it more than once every three days I would of only ran it once.

They never told us, that's the problem.

Not going to respond to this.

[Kerr]

Hmmm.... remember when mod 4 came out and the reaver could NOT be repeated?

Ironic isn't it .

Which goes to show exactly one thing.

Their QA group is incompetent, because the last raid the released they didn't test the raid timer on and they didn't learn from it. So they've repeated their mistake, and are having us pay for a game that's flawed and they've demonstrated no capacity to test properly.

[ccheath776]

Especially if they ASKED first and were given permission LOL.

As far as the loot goes, NOBODY in the game has run the raid more than 10 times, probably half of that resulted in zero loot, one piece, or duplicates of junk pieces. I imagine that only half of the raid loot has been seen thusfar. But again, here's a case of people flipping out over stuff they can't understand because they have NO idea what the facts are...

I also find it hilarious to see the same people on one thread complaining about the new raid loot system because it barely drops any loot (true) and then coming here pointing fingers and claiming things like people "probably have every piece of raid loot in the game" from doing less than a dozen runs. Too funny.

For the record, I haven't seen any Tomes drop in the Abbot either. It's supposed to be the hardest raid so you would think some would drop. Maybe the tome drop in there is broken too and they should fix that then go back and give us some tomes.

No named loot for you from the abbott? Good.

[loki523]

Done with this thread. It's definately getting closed. I really don't feel like getting any infraction points and some people here deserve comments that will get me some...

Good luck to the vast majority of players posting here who haven't even flagged for the raid much less beaten it.

[Hydro]

Yu are joking me right?
Thats like saying have you ever looked at an open door to someones house before?
Yes I have but I never went in and stole everything from their house. I just kept on walking.

Did you just NOT understand that after you got the warning, maybe this was an exploit. Did you not understand that a raid timer that doesn't reset for 3 days may be an exploit?

Yu also just admitted you were one of the ones. Sheesh. This is not worth the energy to type anymore I will let your loss reality in your words do the talking.

Who is hiding the fact that they ran the raid multiple times, maybe if you had read the deleted threads you would have seen that anyone who repeated the missions are not ashamed of what they have done. Oh well none the less at least I am happy that most of the forum trolls will never be good enough for that raid (until the nerf it).

[ccheath776]

Done with this thread. It's definately getting closed. I really don't feel like getting any infraction points and some people here deserve comments that will get me some...

Good luck to the vast majority of players posting here who haven't even flagged for the raid much less beaten it.

Least we agree on something. This thread is done. Im outa here. Enjoy your weekend.

[MysticTheurge]

the vast majority of players posting here who haven't even flagged for the raid much less beaten it.

I fail to see the relevance.