How do you dissuade clerics from healing you?

[WeaselKing]

So I play a level 7 wiz WF and I often PUG as I am in a small guild. I have found it a little frustrating that the cleric is always healing me. Don't get me wrong I appreciate being healed especially in the middle of a battle but I have a 20 con and am getting the hang of managing agro. My real complaint is that before I can even pull out a wand between battles before the cleric has topped me off, it just seems like a waste of the clerics resources either spell points that could be used on those who can't wand whip themselves and don't lose 50% of the heal or a waste of the plat they spend on wands.

I have played a cleric and I understand that it can become automatic to heal anyone who's bar goes down but it just seems like a waste for a class that always complains about not having enough plat or not getting to use those offensive spells.

So.... how do you keep clerics from healing you?

[Citymorg]

I have had the same problem. I made a WF barbarian, before the immunities and enhancement change (when you could only take 4 enhancements). He took 2 levels of Sorc so he could heal himself. I start by telling Clerics that I take care of almost all my own healing, and they don't need to worry about me until I am at 1/4-incap. Then I go on to say that I don't have any healer's friend and 100% Fort. By then they usually leave me alone.

With that said, it's never bad to have someone looking over your should, even if you do heal yourself.

[WeaselKing]

With that said, it's never bad to have someone looking over your should, even if you do heal yourself.

Agreed, I just feel more uber when I take care of myself. Who said warforged don't have egos.

[Zenako]

As a Cleric, if I can't target you, no healing. So just stay out of range...

Seriously, just let them know, and accept the reflexive healing that will still come your way.

[Solstyse]

Like the above people said communication is the key, let them know. But on the same hand if you say " don't worry about healing me I have it covered" then you die, don't get mad at your cleric.
I have found it better to let the cleric heal you anyways, it lets them do your job and less people die.

[ErgonomicCat]

I have found it better to let the cleric heal you anyways, it lets them do your job and less people die.

That's the problem, though. It means they are devoting their SP (and theoretically double their SP, with your penalty to heals) to keeping you up, rather than someone else.

SP spent is SP lost.

But really, it sounds like it's the cleric's issue. They really shouldn't be topping you off either, unless it's a run with a lot of shrines, or you're coming to a big boss....

I'd say you're doing what you can - tell them, maybe remind them, then be done with it.

[RemoJr]

I understand what you mean, my 14 wiz can usually bring himself to full hp with reconstruct (repair enhancements and +% items help). However, if the cleric wants to heal you anyway, it's no big deal. Just keep an eye on your health and if your hurt badly, then repair. otherwise if the cleric wants to heal you, let him. Far better then the days of the pre-immunities when you couldn't get a cleric you heal you unless you were friends.

[Rowanheal]

I will admit to being guilty of this myself.

On Rowanheal, I just see bars, to be honest, I never remember who is WF, I just heal.

I am also guilty of not healing the guy who always runs ahead and gets his won rear end whooped on for the 10th time... sometimes this is a WF, and I get yelled out for not healing WF...I am just sooooo bigoted

However, I have been playing WF lately and have come to realize Cleric's healing me is a waste.

I don't know how to help here other than to say...don't heal me

See ya in Stormreach,

-R

[Melioch]

Yes, i hate it when the cleric is doing his job and keeps me alive

As a 500 HP 13 Barb/1 Sorc I'm much more efficient casting light repair 75 times so the cleric won't waste a heal on me.

As a 14 Wiz heaven forbids you to heal me since i can cast reconstruct. Yes a single heal will restore me to full health but that's not the point, it's wasted mana i tell you. Oh by the way heres your GH, displacement, Stoneskin and haste mr Cleric, now go forth and cast some more blade barriers you offensive class you.

[MrCow]

The steps I took once to get my message across once on the fact that I was better off healing myself.

1. Stand in lava until you are low on hp.
   
2. Watch as the cleric sometimes reflexively heals you.
   
3. Step back in and watch them go crazy for attempted suicide.
   
4. Cast reconstruction and observe as they ask "How did you do that"?

[oronisi]

I have had the same problem. I made a WF barbarian, before the immunities and enhancement change (when you could only take 4 enhancements). He took 2 levels of Sorc so he could heal himself. I start by telling Clerics that I take care of almost all my own healing, and they don't need to worry about me until I am at 1/4-incap. Then I go on to say that I don't have any healer's friend and 100% Fort. By then they usually leave me alone.

With that said, it's never bad to have someone looking over your should, even if you do heal yourself.

That's what I do. If the cleric doesn't heed my warning, it's his loss.

[JelloMold]

I think it is a problem with clerics in general. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate a heal, but I hate it when I try to keep them from wasting resources and they blow it on me. Most of the time, they are counted on to keep people alive sothey have a tendency to heal anyone they can. I have the same trouble with my rangers and pallys. There is no reason to top off a ranger or pally inbetween fights. What gets me is when I'm sitting at 145 of 150hps. I'm not going to blow a wand charge to top that off, but the cleric (who has seen me healing myself) decides to heal me back to full.

Yes, i hate it when the cleric is doing his job and keeps me alive

As a 500 HP 13 Barb/1 Sorc I'm much more efficient casting light repair 75 times so the cleric won't waste a heal on me.

As a 14 Wiz heaven forbids you to heal me since i can cast reconstruct. Yes a single heal will restore me to full health but that's not the point, it's wasted mana i tell you. Oh by the way heres your GH, displacement, Stoneskin and haste mr Cleric, now go forth and cast some more blade barriers you offensive class you.

[COLOR="white"]I think it is a poor player and foolish choice to EVER assume someone is going to heal you. If you are a WF and have the ability to heal yourself (UMD wands, lots of pots, or caster class) you should do so whenever you can. Knowing when you can and can't is part of being a good player. In fact, I'd go so far as to say all WF should take a level of caster simply so you can (at the bare minimum) top yourself off. Pigeonholing someone you've not met into a category is bad play. Clerics can do extremely effective things to make a quest go smoother. Even if your cleric is a heal bot, their SP goes further if they don't throw you a heal that you can do yourself. Really, I think this advice goes for all classes. Everyone should be self sufficient and only "rely" on a healer if things get too hot.

[frederjoe1]

So.... how do you keep clerics from healing you?

Well you can always walk over a take a leak on his boots...

j/k anyhow, being a cleric that occasionally heals wf, I tend to wait until I have healed everyone else before I deal with the WF so that it gives them a chance to heal themselves if they are going to instead of me healing them, but if all else fails, let them blow the sp, can't hurt right.

[Melioch]

[color="white"]I think it is a poor player and foolish choice to EVER assume someone is going to heal you. If you are a WF and have the ability to heal yourself (UMD wands, lots of pots, or caster class) you should do so whenever you can. Knowing when you can and can't is part of being a good player. In fact, I'd go so far as to say all WF should take a level of caster simply so you can (at the bare minimum) top yourself off. Pigeonholing someone you've not met into a category is bad play. Clerics can do extremely effective things to make a quest go smoother. Even if your cleric is a heal bot, their SP goes further if they don't throw you a heal that you can do yourself. Really, I think this advice goes for all classes. Everyone should be self sufficient and only "rely" on a healer if things get too hot.

Haha then why not say clerics should take a level of fighter in order to wield a martial weapon because it's dumb to assume the tanks are going to kill the mobs.

Please, self sufficiency has its limits. I'll repair myself between fights but i better be kept alive by the cleric when I'm in the middle of a mob managing aggro.

Try to do that efficiently while wielding that repair light wand.

[ErgonomicCat]

Haha then why not say clerics should take a level of fighter in order to wield a martial weapon because it's dumb to assume the tanks are going to kill the mobs.

Seriously, I know you're just provoking to flame, but come on.

Comparing "I can/can't heal myself" to "I do 1d6/1d8 with my weapon"?

If you have a cleric that wears only robes, has a 6 str, a 6 con, and doesn't own any melee weapons, then you're about on par with the difference. Not simple vs martial.

And I would, in fact, argue that every member of the team should have some ability to cause a mob to die. Even the cleric. If you're the only one left standing, and there's only one mob, with 10 hp, you'd best be able to remove those 10 hp so everyone can come back w/o hitting the tavern....

[Melioch]

Seriously, I know you're just provoking to flame, but come on.

Comparing "I can/can't heal myself" to "I do 1d6/1d8 with my weapon"?

If you have a cleric that wears only robes, has a 6 str, a 6 con, and doesn't own any melee weapons, then you're about on par with the difference. Not simple vs martial.

And I would, in fact, argue that every member of the team should have some ability to cause a mob to die. Even the cleric. If you're the only one left standing, and there's only one mob, with 10 hp, you'd best be able to remove those 10 hp so everyone can come back w/o hitting the tavern....

Where I'm i provoking anything buddy, If i disagree with someone I'm automatically flaming? Heres a smilie to lighten up the mood a little bit :

Also, don't take my martial weapon example too literally, You're taking me waaaaay out of context. JelloMold stated they he would suggest ANY WF to grab a lvl of caster. So you're going to gimp your full potential just to unlock a mediocre potential of self repair between fights? Please, buy some potions.

Specific classes excel at specific things, you can't be decently good at everything. Trying to be a jack of all trades just means you're average in everything you do.

Were getting out of the initial subject don't you think?

ninja edit: Heres a few extra smilies in case anyone found something offensive in my reply

[ErgonomicCat]

Specific classes excel at specific things, you can't be decently good at everything. Trying to be a jack of all trades just means you're average in everything you do.

Agreed.

Being a near master fighter, who can heal himself, is not a jack of all trades, though.

Fighter 14:

Bab +14
Fort +9
Will +4
Ref +4

HP: 14d10 (140 max)
8 bonus feats.
Lvl 14 Fighter enhancements

Melee 13/Caster 1:

Bab +13
Fort +8
Will +6
Ref +4

HP: 13d10 + 1d4 (134 max)

7 bonus feats (sorc) or 8 (wiz).
Level 13 Fighter Enhancements, Level 1 Caster (lose Fighter extra action boost II, gain Caster 1).

Fighter 12/Caster 2:

Bab +13
Fort +8
Will +7
Ref +4

HP: 12d10 + 2d4 (128 max)
7 bonus feats (sorc) or 8 (wiz).
Level 12 Fighter Enhancements, Level 2 Caster (lose Fighter Item Defense IV and Fighter Flanking Mastery III, gain Wand Mastery, Casting stat boost).

Multiclassing, when done carefully, and with forethought, can be a huge benefit, but there's an instinctual "Multiclassing is weak, and you're gimped if you do it!" reaction most of the time....

[Melioch]

Multi classing is indeed far from weak but if it's only to be able to minor repair yourself, you rather be drinking serious pots.

but yeah for the sake of not derailing this thread any further let's just say it all comes down to style of play and preferences.

[Alavatar]

As a 500 HP 13 Barb/1 Sorc I'm much more efficient casting light repair 75 times so the cleric won't waste a heal on me.

Wand use is based on character level, not caster level. Therefore, you can use a Repair Serious wand.

[Hvymetal]

I'll take heals from anyone, I'll give heals to anyone. I'm easy like that