CONTEST: User-Written Game Guides!

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Like all contests done in most US based games.. it's nothing they can control. There are just too many laws to get around concerning winners outside of US territories.

Unless there is some US law prohibitting it that I'm unaware of that's simply a lazy and incorrect answer they give. They already are doing contracts with people under different legal frameworks. (The EULA is for example invalid in Canada since Canadian case law holds you can't be bound to something that was only shown to you after you forked over your money). The content advisory may not meet local standards in some countries. The list goes on...That doesn't stop Turbine from taking our money.

"Offer not valid where prohibitted by law. Participant is responsible for following all local laws and for any and all local taxes". You can lawyer your way out of international issues... This approach is just lazy and self important.

*grumbles* I can't believe I sent Q a nice PM earlier today....

Pssssttt...

Lorien....

Just tell them that we are a part of the US.

They won't know the difference.

lol probably true. Have you ever seen "Talking to Americans"? I have to love when a Harvard Political Science prof thinks we have a President or when environmental studies students think we should stop the whale hunt in Sask.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

check the web, he ahs played since he was 12, and is very open about it when asked.

And he as played DDO....

[ArkoHighStar]

And he as played DDO....

who knows it is possible

[Vinos]

check the web, he ahs played since he was 12, and is very open about it when asked.

I am sure you're telling me the truth I don't need to check the web. It just struck me as odd is all.

[ArkoHighStar]

lol probably true. Have you ever seen "Talking to Americans"? I have to love when a Harvard Political Science prof thinks we have a President or when environmental studies students think we should stop the whale hunt in Sask.

Ah this hour has 22 minutes, how I miss that show living in the States

[Lorien_the_First_One]

who knows it is possible

He has, he said it in an interview last year.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Ok...trying to be positive....

Maybe this means they are going to use this info to help build a manual that is actually up to date and accurate?



Hmm... down side...

How are they gonna stop me from cribbing from the wiki and existing guides? They can't say I stole anything because all the info is PD so they can't tell if I got it from another guide and just reformated or if it was all originally sourced.

[Galath_Eralion]

Now, if they could get Vin Diesel to sign a copy of the book, I might contribute.

[ArkoHighStar]

I am sure you're telling me the truth I don't need to check the web. It just struck me as odd is all.

he is a closet geek hehe

[blakbyrd]

In regards to the "US Residents Only" thing, it is a typical thing, and also somewhat necessary regarding any potential legal issues that could arrise.

For starters, part of the rules requires being 18 or older. This is relatively easy to prove in the states but once outside the states it becomes more difficult to prove.

Most importantly though, Turbine will require signing and sgreeing to a contract (last part of the rules). The contract is required for the winner to agree to, and is written with US laws and backed by US laws. Such a contract will not work for or protect Turbine in an International sense.

The US has no VAT or Prize taxes in such things, whereas many other countries do. WHo should be responsible for paying these taxes or fees? If someone in Europe wins and gets stuck with a VAT ta to recieve the goods, is it the recipients or Turbine's responsibility to pay them? These are extra fees that Turbine shouldn't be required to pay, but there are plenty of people who think they should. Typically, if you cannot provide a reciept, all items get taxed by their value.

In regards to a top winner, there are probably countries out there that ban the import of lead or pewter (forms of jewelry or metals imports are common items banned from import/export). If a winner happens to be in one of these countries, they wont get all that is won, or Turbine/recipient risks being in trouble and gaining large fines for trying to import or accept banned material.

There are many reasons why they would limit it to the US only. However the #1 and most important fact to it all, is that Turbine can set the rules how they want for their own contest (as long as it is within US law to do so). They could certainly make it international if they wanted to, but it would require lawyers knowledgable in international law, and lawyers able to write similar contracts (as the one required in the rules) that abides to every possible country an entrant could be from which would be an enormous expense. Turbine certainly has their own Lawyers or Lawyers on retainer, but I doubt they have any that are specialists in international law and more specifically lawyers capable fo writing contracts for every available country that DDO is accessed from.

[StanC]

Like all contests done in most US based games.. it's nothing they can control. There are just too many laws to get around concerning winners outside of US territories.

Plus I have seen contest that have excluded individual states, most of the time it has been Florida. Alot of the time it has to do with taxes and terrifs (Sp?) that would make not worth the while.

[Vienemen]

My guide was written in the wizard section. I would like to keep it there and only edit one copy (it is edited frequently). My question is, will I be allowed to just post the link in the game guides forum or will I have to cut and paste a copy of it there...which would suck because it would actually be the thrid version I would have to maintain with edits.

Thats my only gripe...but its one I think will be common among the writers. Link is in my sig. Hopefully can get an answer soon.

V


Oh, one more question...If I read the rules right, we cant post them till the 24th right? Or is it ok to do so now?

[Blind_Skwerl]

Prizes:
First Prize:

1 DELUXE copy of 30 Years of Adventure – A Celebration of Dungeons and Dragons with forward written by Vin Diesel...

Huh?! Am I missing something here? When did Vin Diesel switch from making movies and breakdancing instructional videos to writing for RPG books? Does it have illustrations by O.J.? Is it sprayed with Mandy Moore's new fragrance? Sheesh!

[Dane_McArdy]

That is completely unacceptable in a game marketted around the world. You charge me the exact same amount you charge someone who lives in the US.

It's because there are legal issues with prizes and non USA residents.

[Brianius]

vin is a geek, one of his tatoos was a pnp charicter in xxx

Huh?! Am I missing something here? When did Vin Diesel switch from making movies and breakdancing instructional videos to writing for RPG books? Does it have illustrations by O.J.? Is it sprayed with Mandy Moore's new fragrance? Sheesh!

oh and oooooo

[Impaqt]

It's because there are legal issues with prizes and non USA residents.

Well, Its technically more of a Tax issue than a Legal one.

Still awaiting word on Eligibility of existing Guides......

[Quarion]

Good point. Most of the best guides have already been written.

Just because a guide is pre-existing doesn't mean it shouldn't be recognized if it's good.

And this is what a nomination and voting rounds are for! For YOU to choose who deserves to win.

If you don't feel that a particular guide is worthy of a prize, don't nominate or vote for it. It's up to you.

[Trilby]

I'm sorry, I just have to laugh at the devs judging spelling and grammar. I have noticed so many mistakes in the text of the lore in this game, it baffles me. Sometimes I think devs should learn how to use spell check.

[Vinos]

Just because a guide is pre-existing doesn't mean it shouldn't be recognized if it's good.

And this is what a nomination and voting rounds are for! For YOU to choose who deserves to win.

If you don't feel that a particular guide is worthy of a prize, don't nominate or vote for it. It's up to you.

No one said they shouldn't be recognized but why bother having a contest? The winners are already decided before the contest begins. Here's a good contest idea. Let's play pro football pick'em but we'll use last year's schedule.

[Drider]

Ya, I agree Drider. I don't want them spending time writing guides.

I was refering to how I hoped that the announcement was something to do with game play. (...something they write... ie. code)

Like I said, this may be fun for some, but personally, I will not get any satisfaction out of it and am left wanting.

I really want new gameplay stuff, not user written guides.

But, that's just me.

Well they did say there was stuff coming for us, but the only thing they said they would be posting today, for sure, was the contest details.