Low sp for a sorc

[ChildrenofBodom]

A lot of sorcs I know have over 1800, I only have 1708 on my sorcerer when wearing the black dragon robe. I have a 32 charisma. Why do i have much less?

[juniorpfactors]

4 lvls of enhancements? 40 each..and 2 mental toughness feats,each worth 70sp

[ArkoHighStar]

wizardry 6 items as well

[Khestral]

and improved mental toughness as a feat as well

[Cayrie]

I think Prenny has 1983? I'm pretty sure that's right.

Mental toughness, improved mental toughness, all the mana increase enhancements, level increases all in CHA, +6 CHA item, +2 CHA tome, Wizardry VI (which amounts to +300 SP for sorcs)...

All in all it's fun to say I have that much SP, but it's actually pretty unnecessary. I pretty much never run out of mana unless I'm running heighten/max constantly. Even then...

You can still be a great sorc. with the kind of SP you're talking about. It's all in how you use it.

C

[Aspenor]

SP is not the measure of a sorceror's power. Depending on your build and playstyle, 1700 may be more than enough.

The highest possible SP attainable is just over 2000 by a 13sorc/1bard.

[juniorpfactors]

wizardy 6 is not required to have over 1800

4 lvls of enhancements? 40 each..and both mental toughness feats,each worth 70sp

would put you at around 1858........i am at 1818 without the 4th enhancement or wiz 6

[ArkoHighStar]

wizardy 6 is not required to have over 1800

4 lvls of enhancements? 40 each..and both mental toughness feats,each worth 70sp

would put you at around 1858........i am at 1818 without the 4th enhancement or wiz 6

I understand that, I just listed it as one of the items that can help, having the xtra 100 sp can allow you to dump improved if you wanted to. Having all the items enhancements etc will get you well past 1800 as has been indicated

[Shima-ra]

I have 1708 as well and its more then enough.
With my build, I dont envy at all those who invested everything in getting as much sp as possible.

I laughed when the devs gave us 500 more sp in one of the last patch.

[ChildrenofBodom]

Ah, i guess a lot of people took mental toughness and imp mental toughness. I have not taken either of them, and i guess most people have 34 cause they got a +2 char tome, i only have 32 atm, 33 when i get my last sorc's charisma enhancement. Thx all for replying.

[Tavok]

SP is not the measure of a sorceror's power. Depending on your build and playstyle, 1700 may be more than enough.

The highest possible SP attainable is just over 2000 by a 13sorc/1bard.

how do you figure that?

[Lithic]

how do you figure that?

If you mean "how do you figure that the max sp is 2000ish" then theres a thread in the sorc forum that details this. Forget what its called, but its on the first page.

If you mean "how do you figure that sp isnt a sorcs power" then I pity the group that has YOU as its caster as you probably just throw massive numbers of pseudo-effective spells :P

[Allorious]

I would like to point out that when we were all lvl 12 prior to the gianthold everyone was running around with 1000-1200 as a sorc, and 800-900 as a wizzy. I have 1881 on Alorious and I end up shrining with hundreds of SP left....solo! So dont worry bro, its all good.

[Nick_RC]

Moonrise has a smaller pool than most sorcs but i wouldnt change my feats at all as they fit my style. No MT or IMT and i dont have the last tier of the sp enhancements (i have alot of spell pen...) tho i do have a wiz 6 helm...

Ul be fine Milly.

Rage

[Madmardigan]

I'd sacrifice a couple hundred SP for more powerful spells any day.

[Aspenor]

how do you figure that?

Um, logic.

[TommyBoy]

Um, logic.

I think he wants you to show the work; like in math class. I would like a better explaination too. I just dont see how adding a lvl of bard would increase your sp.

[Aspenor]

I think he wants you to show the work; like in math class. I would like a better explaination too. I just dont see how adding a lvl of bard would increase your sp.

Point #1

Point #2

The Whole Thread

As shown above, sorcerors get 95 sp for going from 13 to 14. Also + 12 if they have 34 charisma instead of 32. Wizardry VII gives a pure sorc 350 spell points (2 x 175). This is a total of 457 SP at level 14.

A level 1 bard taken at level 14 gains 50 sp base, + 120 for having 34 charisma. She gains 337.5 (read, 337) for a Wizardry VII item, found by multiplying the SP a pure sorc obtains (350) by the ratio of sorceror levels to total levels (13/14). 350 x (13/14) = 337.5. The total here is 507.

The difference is 50.

Note, that the one level of bard is highly recommended to be taken at level 14 to maximize the bonus from charisma.

Props to Psi for the numbers, from the original thread.

[Lithic]

Props to Psi for the numbers, from the original thread.

Should be "props to DDOwiki" hehe

[Shima-ra]

I hope no one is stupid enough to take a lvl of bard just for a few spell points.