Oh No Bard Song

[sammyhextall]

Howdy.

Like everything else put on here I am sure this been asked about a billion times. But I am to lazy to look back, I will just ask again.

Alright for most of you that Pvp. ya know you have fun, anything goes blah blah. But then there is always one, two, three or more morons make 1st level bards. jump down and run around doing their little fas song. Yay great its a skill whatever. but dang annoying when thats ALL they do. ledge jumpers bah!.

But really 1st level bard shouldn't fas a 14th level (put class here).
Can you please fix this song. make it have some sort of will Save. or level based save.
I know I will get hate mail from all the bards but oh well.
Pvp is spose to be fun. there are a ton other things in it to worry about as (put class here). than have some moron with nothing better to do than to jump down fas jump up!

Anyway Game on!

[Dane_McArdy]

Howdy.

Like everything else put on here I am sure this been asked about a billion times. But I am to lazy to look back, I will just ask again.

Alright for most of you that Pvp. ya know you have fun, anything goes blah blah. But then there is always one, two, three or more morons make 1st level bards. jump down and run around doing their little fas song. Yay great its a skill whatever. but dang annoying when thats ALL they do. ledge jumpers bah!.

But really 1st level bard shouldn't fas a 14th level (put class here).
Can you please fix this song. make it have some sort of will Save. or level based save.
I know I will get hate mail from all the bards but oh well.
Pvp is spose to be fun. there are a ton other things in it to worry about as (put class here). than have some moron with nothing better to do than to jump down fas jump up!

Anyway Game on!

People that do that, are in fact, called griefers, and should be reported to GMs, and only reported. Because if you do more, say, tell them off, you get yourself in trouble as well.

But since fasicnate doesn't have a save to it, untill they add one, that's how it's going to be for a while.

[blakbyrd]

People that do that, are in fact, called griefers, and should be reported to GMs, and only reported. Because if you do more, say, tell them off, you get yourself in trouble as well.

But since fasicnate doesn't have a save to it, untill they add one, that's how it's going to be for a while.

True, I believe Turbine has already stated that such actions will be deemed griefing by the DMs if reported. Assuming they fascinate and then do nothing. If they then attack and kill you, its not griefing (as I understand it), but fascinating and then just leaving you there is griefing and can be reported as such.

As for adding a will save or whatever for the purpose of PvP, I dont think it will happen as that will begin the fight of balancing a PvE game for PvP, which is basically an industry no-no (it does happen though). If there are PvE reasons to do so then maybe, but just for a PvP reason...don't expect a change unless such a change only occurs in a PvP area.

[Hvymetal]

Agreed I am going to be pretty **** mad if one of my characters gets nerf batted specifically for a PvP issue


Course, I guess some of us might have expected something like this to come up and hope it will be related to perform if they ever impliment something like this and thus didn't neglect our perform and keep items around "just in case". Think I will be able to get just under a 50 perform probablly haven't tried to calculate it.

[Mad_Bombardier]

Agreed I am going to be pretty **** mad if one of my characters gets nerf batted specifically for a PvP issue

Course, I guess some of us might have expected something like this to come up and hope it will be related to perform if they ever impliment something like this and thus didn't neglect our perform and keep items around "just in case". Think I will be able to get just under a 50 perform probablly haven't tried to calculate it.

Implementing a skill/DC check where there is none is not a nerf; it is a long overdue correction. Besides, with your 50 Perform, you'll be fine.

[Hvymetal]

Implementing a skill/DC check where there is none is not a nerf; it is a long overdue correction. Besides, with your 50 Perform, you'll be fine.

I know most people will only save on a 20, but I just don't like the idea of any class taking a hit for PvP, regardless if it's one I play or not. I expect it to come so that classes are moved a little bit closer to P&P.

[Mad_Bombardier]

I know most people will only save on a 20, but I just don't like the idea of any class taking a hit for PvP, regardless if it's one I play or not. I expect it to come so that classes are moved a little bit closer to P&P.

It has nothing to do with PvP. Monsters need that chance to save on a 20, too.

[sammyhextall]

Yeah sorry I didnt mean just for the sake of Pvp, cause then there would be 100 posts on spells/skills etc then.

DC check or something like will would be nice.

Ah greifers yes I just love them. in another game i play they run around all day long. fun watching them atempt stuff which is blocked right away.

[teddok]

I love to hope in the arena while Facinating. Once everyone is mezzed I get them dancing. Then I open up the can of woop a$s. Now I want to know is this greifing or just using good tatics. I dont jump in a facinat then leave, I kill them first.

[oronisi]

I know most people will only save on a 20, but I just don't like the idea of any class taking a hit for PvP, regardless if it's one I play or not. I expect it to come so that classes are moved a little bit closer to P&P.

It's not a pvp induced fix if the devs ever address it. You have a skill that works on npc's without the npc getting a save chance. Just because the bug is also on display in PvP does not automatically make it a pvp-initiated fix/ nerf.

[Dane_McArdy]

Fasicnate should have a DC check based on your perform skill. Which as most have noted, still makes it pretty powerful, since perform can get really high.

[Dane_McArdy]

I love to hope in the arena while Facinating. Once everyone is mezzed I get them dancing. Then I open up the can of woop a$s. Now I want to know is this greifing or just using good tatics. I dont jump in a facinat then leave, I kill them first.

Not griefing as you are attacking, and therefor, that breaks the facsinate, even if you get them dancing before you attack, since they get saves for dancing.

So just good tactics.

[teddok]

Not griefing as you are attacking, and therefor, that breaks the facsinate, even if you get them dancing before you attack, since they get saves for dancing.

So just good tactics.

Thank you. I just wanted to make sure that iwasnt doing anything wrong. That and I dont want to **** of more people doing somthing wrong like that. I **** off enough easily enough on my own.

[Dane_McArdy]

Thank you. I just wanted to make sure that iwasnt doing anything wrong. That and I dont want to **** of more people doing somthing wrong like that. I **** off enough easily enough on my own.

Now keep in mind, that won't stop people from thinking you are griefing and report you. There are some that think any use of facsinate in PvP is griefing.

[Riddikulus]

The fact that Fascinate has no save is really not that big of an issue.

The fact that the Bard can repeatedly cast dance or hold person/monster at you until it "takes" without breaking Fascinate is most definitely a big issue.

It should break as soon as any action is taken against you.

[teddok]

The fact that Fascinate has no save is really not that big of an issue.

The fact that the Bard can repeatedly cast dance or hold person/monster at you until it "takes" without breaking Fascination is most definitely a big issue.

It should break as soon as any action is taken against you.

Yes i have been guilty of this one

[sammyhextall]

Yeah I agree with that once an action is taken against you, you snap awake if the spell/attack/skill works or not. Not just going to stand there and let someone cast at you while your drooling at the pretty song.

As for Teddok, You are not doing a single thing wrong. I didnt mean to apply that if I did. I have two bard friends that Pvp, Good tactic fas, spell spell then attack. your not a powerhouse. your not a super mage. have to use what you have. ^^
At least on my server fear being a bard in pvp, they tend to FTS you for the next ## hours if you are just Fas. or being greeted by multi spells before they land after jumping off the ledge.

The main point was 1st levels, or even higher I guess. Yeah I can see a 14th level bard being able to fas someone with ease.
Not someone who just walked out of the Wavecrest.
Not asking for it to be narfed for *just* Pvp.

I simply was saying there should be some sorta save for it

[Tenkari_Rozahas]

or at least a level 1 bard shouldnt fascinate a higher level bard... I mean come on, they know how the fascination works, and should be harder for them to fall for it

[GlassCannon]

Brawling in and of itself, due to its nature and design, is not by any means true PvP. If you want PvP set up a Deathmatch or Capture the Flag. Stop getting so concerned over what happens in the pit.

FYI: I hate pitfighting because Clerics get Instant-speed saveless non-resistable direct damage spells. Arcanes need their Instant spells back, or clerics need a nerf(I'd rather Scroching Ray and Niac's and such be blinding fast too, instead of a global spell cast rate nerf in total... Please BUFF the arcanes' spell speed instead!). Also, due to Tavern Regeneration, pitfiighting is completely unbalanced and is therefore not(nor ever will be) fully PvP. It's a fun area. Stop getting so angry. Don't take it personal. Remember, we are here to PLAY and in playing to HAVE FUN, so go have some fun already!

Also, stop trying to nerf Bards. PLEASE STOP TRYING TO GET BARDS NERFED!! Thanks.

[Hvymetal]

I was going upon the original post, which I misconstrued as it used PvP as the example. Like I said I have no problem with it going to a perform based DC. But I do have a problem with (based upon my misunderstanding of the OP) anything that effects the game (or race, or class) as a whole being changed 1 Iota based upon PvP balancing.