Please remove prefix/suffix restrictions on weapon enhancements

[Riggs]

Whatever the reason this was initially implemented, perhaps it is time to remove the restrictions placed on what enhancements can be on a weapon.

You can have a holy/pure good weapon, a flaming/pure good weapon, but not a holy/flaming weapon. I can give any number of examples, but really it boils down to an unneeded restriction on multiple weapon effects.

Really, every enhancement has a level modifier, when a weapon is generated as level 10 say, the weapon should just have whatever enhancements add up to a level 10 weapon.

Same type enhancements should of course be 1/weapon only. So no flame/frost/acid/thundering/shock burst weapons, or Lawful/Chaotic/Axiomatic of stability etc. One elemental type, one alignment type, and to prevent abusive combinations, one stat damaging. Having a wounding/weakening weapon of puncturing would be a bit much.

[Riddikulus]

/ponder

+1 Holy Transmuting Wounding Rapier of Pure Good Puncturing

Wonder what the ML would be on that puppy.

The only problem I see with relaxing the restriction other than a few uber combinations, is all of the new vendor trash combinations that would be created...

+1 Ghost Touch Rapier of Lesser Orc Bane and Elf bane and Lesser Ooze bane.

[Symar-FangofLloth]

Things should be de-suffixed and de-prefixed. So a +1 Holy Flaming Burst Club of Everbright Oozebane would become a +1 Club, Holy, Flaming Burst, Everbright, Oozebane.
Man, that'd be a fun weapon, half of it works well against oozes, and half of it works well against skeletons.
But, it'd break away from said restrictions, and allow more interesting items.

[bobbryan2]

Yeah, we have min level restrictions.... there's no need to have min level restrictions AND prefix restrictions.

I'd like to get a holy flaming burst scimitar.

[slumbering_dragon]

well the reason is so we dont get way out of controll with the weapons out there. i would hate to see a vorpal paralyzer. yeha just stay still till i hit that nat 20, even tho your DR is so high i cant even do real damage or your AC is jacked and my wizzy is going to kill you. ust be glad with what we got.

[bobbryan2]

well the reason is so we dont get way out of controll with the weapons out there. i would hate to see a vorpal paralyzer. yeha just stay still till i hit that nat 20, even tho your DR is so high i cant even do real damage or your AC is jacked and my wizzy is going to kill you. ust be glad with what we got.

That's not the reason. The reason is because they don't want to make a new naming scheme.

Vorpal Smiters and the like are already possible.

[Ranmaru2]

I would love a Vorpal Paralyzer Banisher xxxxx of Disruptor Smiting....See the ridiculous weapons that could be given if this was the case? The current system works great and keeps the playerbase from becoming even more powerful and doesn't make us absolutely hacked. I do not agree with this idea at all.

[Symar-FangofLloth]

And what would the ML or total bonus of such an item be? If the total bonus surpasses 10, the ML will be 20 at least.

[The_Cataclysm]

I would love a Vorpal Paralyzer Banisher xxxxx of Disruptor Smiting....See the ridiculous weapons that could be given if this was the case? The current system works great and keeps the playerbase from becoming even more powerful and doesn't make us absolutely hacked. I do not agree with this idea at all.

Sure you could have that weapon assuming you are about level 50(?) or so. No one is asking for the ML to be removed, just restrictions on prefixes and suffixes.

[bobbryan2]

Although...

My Holy Acid Flaming Frost Shocking Scimitar of Pure Good would pack a whallop.



And only be min lvl 14.

[Riddikulus]

Although...

My Holy Acid Flaming Frost Shocking Scimitar of Pure Good would pack a whallop.



And only be min lvl 14.

I think flaming and frost would cancel each other out.

[Riddikulus]

I would love a Vorpal Paralyzer Banisher xxxxx of Disruptor Smiting....See the ridiculous weapons that could be given if this was the case? The current system works great and keeps the playerbase from becoming even more powerful and doesn't make us absolutely hacked. I do not agree with this idea at all.

Sure... according to the below you'd have ML+10 for each of those, so a +1 version would be ML50. ML48 if you got a RR one. Good luck equipping that for quite a while.

So yeah, the current system _already_ has something that keeps them in check, and doesn't need arbitrary prefix/sufix to force it to.

ML+2 - Elemental, Deception, Ghost Touch, Impact, Keen, Lesser Bane, Maiming, Pure Good, Righteousness, Shattermantle, Thundering, True Chaos, True Law, Vicious

ML+4 - Anarchic, Axiomatic, Bane, Bone Breaking, Crippling, Elemental Burst, Enfeebling, Holy, Parrying, Puncturing, Slowburst, Transmuting, Unholy

ML+6 - Cursespewing, Finesse, Greater Bane, Maladriot, Weakening, Wounding

ML+8 - Anarchic Burst, Axiomatic Burst, Destruction, Holy Burst, Strength Sapping, Unholy Burst

ML+10 - Banishing, Disruption, Paralysing, Smiting, Vorpal

For each additional + of weapon above +1, ML+2

For Backstabbing, each +1 is ML+2

For Seeker, Shatter, Tendon Slice, Vertigo and Weighted, each +2 or 1% is ML+2

[Elthbert]

I think flaming and frost would cancel each other out.

No, no more than Acid and electricity would( You acid being loose protons and elctricity being loose electrons), the Sage has repeatedly adressed this issue on the D&D website, it's magic and you can have opposed elemental powers on the same weapon--- NO matter how stupid that is.


By the way, In my own Campaigns I do not allow stupid carp like that, but according to the rules it is legal

[tihocan]

I also believe something will need to be done soon to remove/alleviate the prefix/sufix limitations. Mostly because we need to fill up those extra bonuses on higher level weapons (especially when the level cap is increasing further).
Maybe we'll see something when crafting is added?

[bobbryan2]

Well, what I notice happening more and more with the prefix/suffix limitations is an inordinate amount of bonuses like tendon slice, backstabbing, shatter, etc.

These prefix's that can mold their values to make up the rest of the minimum level seem to be easier for the weapon to match.

Another thing they could do... if they don't want to remove the prefix/suffix limitation, is to have other mods improve as well. Like a min lvl 6 type flaming that does 3d6 a hit. Or something along those lines. Flaming +3, Banishing +2 (min lvl 12, higher DC and HD limit) etc.

[Snike]

Oooo. Greater Banishing, Greater Paralizer, Greater Smiting....

Hmmm. Greater Voral, no longer just cutting off thier head, you slice thier torso in half!

[blakbyrd]

I would love a Vorpal Paralyzer Banisher xxxxx of Disruptor Smiting....See the ridiculous weapons that could be given if this was the case? The current system works great and keeps the playerbase from becoming even more powerful and doesn't make us absolutely hacked. I do not agree with this idea at all.

That would be a level 50+ item though.

Personally I would like to see the prefix-suffix restriction removed, as long as the basic level requirements of each such item remains the same (which I see no reason it wouldn't).

A vorpal smiter is not possible now at level 14, since both item types is a 10 level requirement (making it a level 20 item or level 18 rr item).

However removing such restrictions could also continue to water down the wanted effects on items even more, so who knows.

[Khalai]

The actual way things work involves the modifiers used. (ie. each prefix or suffix has a modifier cost ranging from +1 to +5) I've modified Aranticus' list to show that.

+1 - Elemental, Deception, Ghost Touch, Impact, Keen, Lesser Bane, Maiming, Pure Good, Righteousness, Shattermantle, Thundering, True Chaos, True Law, Vicious

+2 - Anarchic, Axiomatic, Bane, Bone Breaking, Crippling, Elemental Burst, Enfeebling, Holy, Parrying, Puncturing, Slowburst, Transmuting, Unholy

+3 - Cursespewing, Finesse, Greater Bane, Maladriot, Weakening, Wounding

+4 - Anarchic Burst, Axiomatic Burst, Destruction, Holy Burst, Strength Sapping, Unholy Burst

+5 - Banishing, Disruption, Paralysing, Smiting, Vorpal

For Backstabbing, each +1 costs a +1

For Seeker, Shatter, Tendon Slice, Vertigo and Weighted, each +2 or 1% is +1

Add in the original modifier of the weapon (+1 to +5) and you have the total bonus of your weapon.

Keeping in mind that the total modifier cannot go above +10 otherwise you're into epic territory

Bonus - Min. Lvl.
+1 - 0
+2 - 2
+3 - 4
+4 - 6
+5 - 8
+6 - 10
+7 - 12
+8 - 14
+9 - 16
+10 - 18

Thus a +3 Holy XXXX of Pure Good has a minimum level of:

3 + 2(holy) + 1(pure good) = 6 = ML10

Of course it does not always work this way. Named loot and Quest Arc rewards usually have a better bonus than the ML would suggest. DDO has different values for these modifiers than PnP. For example in PnP Disruption and Banishing are +2 Modifiers, so you could conceivably have a +1 Banisher at ML4. Of course PnP doesnt have those silly lvl restrictions. It is also worth mentioning that Armour bonuses work exactly the same way. Though Heavy Fort on armour is a +5 modifier making +5 FP of Heavy Fort a +10 item, or ML 18. Not gonna see that for a while outside or raid/named loot

[Mad_Bombardier]

I like the mix and matching of prefixes and suffixes. It's fun and interesting to figure out good combos for your character.

Although, I will admit that I don't understand why True Law/Chaos are prefixes when Pure Good is a suffix. Holy/Axiomatic/Anarchic are all together as prefixes, so why split the 1d6 alignment effects? If they were trying to keep Law/Chaos as prefix and Good/Evil as suffix for alignment combinations, then why is Holy/Unholy a prefix? /wonders

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I would love a Vorpal Paralyzer Banisher xxxxx of Disruptor Smiting....See the ridiculous weapons that could be given if this was the case? The current system works great and keeps the playerbase from becoming even more powerful and doesn't make us absolutely hacked. I do not agree with this idea at all.

removing the stupid prefix/suffix thing DDO invented will not make that weapon possible. The maximum modifier on any weapon is +10

+1 weapon
+5 for vorpal
+5 for paralyzer
----
+11 impossible weapon