What a waste!

[Arlith]

reason why I dont think you would miss the leveling play experience is because anyone who gets this perk as a reward has already leveled almost 100 characters and knows his/her role in a party...so I dont think you would be missing much if anything at all.

Now THAT idea I like! After your 100th Level 14 toon, you can start a character at level 6.

[PaintHorseCowboy]

/smacks dingo over the head with a light mace.

No.

Again...

Again....

Again.....

Again......

Again.......

I am inclined to agree with someone else's assessment. You are simply here to bait people. Please stop with the rediculous, half-baked suggestions.

Yes, I can use the /ignore function, but then someone at Turbine might actually implement one of these hare-brained ideas because everyone has ignored you due to the fact we're tired of your very ill-received ideas. You're like an outlet pipe...constantly spewing forth pure sewage.

Thank you though, for consistantly adding to the total amusement of everyone who participates in the development forums. I'm sure we've all been enlightened by your knowledge of the Dungeons & Dragons realm. And frankly, I care not that you supposedly have over $1,000 dollars worth of 3.5 books stacked next to your computer. Some of these ideas you've come up with beg the question, "Did you ever bother to crack the cover and actually read them?"

[Shamguard]

Throw enough **** and something will stick.

or as a friend of my put it "There must be a pony in here somewhere."

Its not a horrible idea, but implementing it fairly and without a risk for exteme exploitation just isnt worth the time and effort. Expecially with what i consider a rather low benefit. And there is always the fact that no one would every play lowbies other then newbs. And then newbs wouldnt get anyone helping them to learn, and didnt you think newbs need some sort of program to help them? Seems conterproductive to one of your other goals.

What extreme exploitation, you delete an existing high level character you can create a new character at half its levels. Nothing special about the character except you don't have to level grind through the lowbie dungeons that have you have already run to death.

As far as new characters not having anyone experienced to play with. How often do you just create a 1st level character just so you can go and help some random (not a RL friend) 1st level noob get through the Goodblade quests. Personaly, I run must of the 1st and 2nd level content to elite solo. By the time I start grouping I'm at least 3rd level.

I twink all my new characters with equipment my higher level characters pick up or buy for them giving all my new characters a +1 or +2 ECL over any untwinked character.

I currently have a 9th level rogue who hasn't done at least a third of the quest in the harbor at all because the though of killing 200 kobolds (again) just makes me sick to my stomach and what she did do in the harbor I mostly just did one time on elite for the favor.

So don't give me the "this is unfair to new players" excuse because this game is already unfair to new players.

I don't buy that it is unbalancing to game play, because if having a higher level character was unbalancing to play then we'd all have to start over at 1st level every time a new character was created, just so "we'd all have to help him". Now that would be fair to new players.
No high level characters just a bunch of forever level 1 charcters doing the same 14 quests over and over. ROTFLMAO

I think you people are so against the OP on this one you'll come up with any excuse to discredit it. (his other ideas where jokes )

This idea, if anything, is a toned down character respec that so many of you have been crying for every time there is a change to the rules. Take your "I hate the OP" blinders off and give this idea some thought and I think you'll find that it does have some merit.

Oh yes, Rragnaar, the reason the old MUDs and other text based game no longer exist isn't because the game ideas where bad, it's because the technology to play the game advance to a point that there was something better to play. The game ideas probably still have merit just no one either remembers the games, (these kids have no sense of history) or someone just thought they have a better way of doing it.

If the old stuff is so bad why do they rerun T.V. shows from the 50s and 60s still? I mean most of those shows got canceled so they must not be any good.

Maybe some of you need to think your posts through, and think about your logic. Before someone starts flaming you just because you post.

Now shake hands and go play DDO and have fun or I'll spank you both.

[Shamguard]

/smacks dingo over the head with a light mace.

No.

Again...

Again....

Again.....

Again......

Again.......

I am inclined to agree with someone else's assessment. You are simply here to bait people. Please stop with the rediculous, half-baked suggestions.

Yes, I can use the /ignore function, but then someone at Turbine might actually implement one of these hare-brained ideas because everyone has ignored you due to the fact we're tired of your very ill-received ideas. You're like an outlet pipe...constantly spewing forth pure sewage.

Thank you though, for consistantly adding to the total amusement of everyone who participates in the development forums. I'm sure we've all been enlightened by your knowledge of the Dungeons & Dragons realm. And frankly, I care not that you supposedly have over $1,000 dollars worth of 3.5 books stacked next to your computer. Some of these ideas you've come up with beg the question, "Did you ever bother to crack the cover and actually read them?"

So, what is the point of this post other than to belittle the OP. If you have a point to make about the current idea make it. If not you are just being the type of person you claim the OP is.

[Arlith]

As far as new characters not having anyone experienced to play with. How often do you just create a 1st level character just so you can go and help some random (not a RL friend) 1st level noob get through the Goodblade quests. Personaly, I run must of the 1st and 2nd level content to elite solo. By the time I start grouping I'm at least 3rd level.

I do not roll new toons just to help new players.. but when I roll one, I usually run PUGS through the harbor and alot of the market place. Lots of new folks in there. Some listen, some don't and some I wanna pound their head into the ground until its a bloody messy pulp. But in spite of the irritations, I meet some good folks that way.

I twink all my new characters with equipment my higher level characters pick up or buy for them giving all my new characters a +1 or +2 ECL over any untwinked character.

Some I do, some I don't. I PUG with the ones I do, because an equipment advantage can save the day when you have a poor group.

So don't give me the "this is unfair to new players" excuse because this game is already unfair to new players.

And don't give me the it's already unfair to the new players, so its okay to make it more unfair excuse.

Maybe some of you need to think your posts through, and think about your logic. Before someone starts flaming you just because you post.

Thinking.......


......


......

Nope, still don't like it.

Now shake hands and go play DDO and have fun or I'll spank you both.

Ewwwww Cooties!

[wundernewb]

I would say because if it makes the game more enjoyable to do so and people will play more, get their friends to play and/or like the game better because of it, then do it.

See above.

Making a game more enjoyable, period, works well for regular games. The designers of those don't care how long you play them, because once you've purchased them, they've made their money from you. How long the game keeps you interested often has little bearing on how enjoyable it is.

MMO's on the other hand, have to make their money every month. Yes, they want to make the game enjoyable so others will play it, but not to the point of making advancement much faster, because a measured pace of advancement is what keeps people playing (and) paying.

Not saying Dingo's idea wouldn't make the game more fun, but I believe the extra people brought in by that change would be far outweighed by the number who got bored faster than usual and left.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

As far as new characters not having anyone experienced to play with. How often do you just create a 1st level character just so you can go and help some random (not a RL friend) 1st level noob get through the Goodblade quests. Personaly, I run must of the 1st and 2nd level content to elite solo. By the time I start grouping I'm at least 3rd level.

What a shame. This hurts the game and should not be encouraged.

So don't give me the "this is unfair to new players" excuse because this game is already unfair to new players.

Great argument against allowing so much twinking...

I think you people are so against the OP on this one you'll come up with any excuse to discredit it. (his other ideas where jokes )

Nope, actually partically agreed with him in at least one thread

[Kingfish]

Hell, I say take the little goober out by the docks! FORCE everyone back through the Rook's Gambit just to get on the boat to Stormreach!

Then, rebuild the **** gate between the noob harbor and the main one...like it use to be! You want to ***** then *****!!!

And while we are at it...lets hang that dude infront of the Market Gate that keeps taking our bribes to let us by! BY GOSH...you WILL do WW before you even get a SNIFF of the market!

See what happens?

Give someone a little break and then they want more, and more, and more.

BOOHOO...I don't want to have to do the PIT AGAIN...wait, i REALLY don't want to do the pit again...scratch that...ok...I DON'T WANT TO DO MADSTONE AGAIN...wait...

[Mercules]

I do not roll new toons just to help new players.. but when I roll one, I usually run PUGS through the harbor and alot of the market place. Lots of new folks in there. Some listen, some don't and some I wanna pound their head into the ground until its a bloody messy pulp. But in spite of the irritations, I meet some good folks that way.



Some I do, some I don't. I PUG with the ones I do, because an equipment advantage can save the day when you have a poor group.



And don't give me the it's already unfair to the new players, so its okay to make it more unfair excuse.



Thinking.......


......


......

Nope, still don't like it.



Ewwwww Cooties!

See... this is more of the community we need. When I create a new character I end up torn on what to do. I have started a PuG with the notation, "Goodblade's no zerging or tourguiding, new players welcome." Grab 2-3 other players and then go through all the Goodblade's quests helping them out when needed. If I get one of those I can tell has played the game WAY too much and who just rushes the whole quest I'll kick them so that new players can experience the game with a little help and safety in a way they can ask questions.

I like helping out the new people, but I've also been annoyed with the "I've done this 50 times, lets just skip this." crowd. So I try to only get the newere people and that is fun. The zergers I want to unbind from any point and throw them off the lighthouse with the hope they fall through the world and into that big empty zone no one else can see.

[M1A1]

See... this is more of the community we need. When I create a new character I end up torn on what to do. I have started a PuG with the notation, "Goodblade's no zerging or tourguiding, new players welcome." Grab 2-3 other players and then go through all the Goodblade's quests helping them out when needed. If I get one of those I can tell has played the game WAY too much and who just rushes the whole quest I'll kick them so that new players can experience the game with a little help and safety in a way they can ask questions.

I like helping out the new people, but I've also been annoyed with the "I've done this 50 times, lets just skip this." crowd. So I try to only get the newere people and that is fun. The zergers I want to unbind from any point and throw them off the lighthouse with the hope they fall through the world and into that big empty zone no one else can see.

There will always be bleeding hearts like YOU that wanna do this ****. So be it, im not holding YOU back, yet you would dare force YOUR ways onto me. What a joke.

[M1A1]

His statement is basically that he has spent a year+ playing the game so he is entitled to it. That is a false sense of entitlement.

I have little sympathy for those that feel they are entitled to something special for all the work they have done enjoying themselves on a fun hobby all year. Shouldn't they be thanking Turbine for providing this service instead?

For all the work others have done.

[Hendrik]

There will always be bleeding hearts like YOU that wanna do this ****. So be it, im not holding YOU back, yet you would dare force YOUR ways onto me. What a joke.

Wow.

Just wow.

Way to look out for your Community and fellow gamers.

[M1A1]

Wow.

Just wow.

Way to look out for your Community and fellow gamers.

But this is a game, are you gonna be there if I get evicted or I lose a job. No you wont. Get real.

[Hendrik]

But this is a game, are you gonna be there if I get evicted or I lose a job. No you wont. Get real.

Huh?

How does your loosing a job or being evicted related to not looking out for your fellow gamers and community?

So because its a game no need to look out for your fellow player and community members?

Selfish much?

Still, wow.

[M1A1]

Huh?

How does your loosing a job or being evicted related to not looking out for your fellow gamers and community?

So because its a game no need to look out for your fellow player and community members?

Selfish much?

Still, wow.

It is a game and in the end you DONT matter to me, just like I DONT to you. Lets keep it that way and get back to the subject at hand.


EDIT: What are you here for anyway, I dont recall you posting in this thread at ALL, did you come in here just to attack me?

[Hendrik]

It is a game and in the end you DONT matter to me, just like I DONT to you. Lets keep it that way and get back to the subject at hand.


EDIT: What are you here for anyway, I dont recall you posting in this thread at ALL, did you come in here just to attack me?

See, I happen to care about the community and my fellow gamers - why I am an active poster and take part in the community.

May want to go back and re-read the thread, I have been here posting. Nice try playing the victim.

[M1A1]

May want to go back and re-read the thread, I have been here posting. Nice try playing the victim.

[M1A1]

Still trying to pull things from other games to improve your gameplay eh Dingo?

This is DDO. This is NOT WoW, CoH, or any other game you have played. I suggest you crack open your hardcover DnD books and look for ideas there. Start with Second Edition and move up to 3.5.

There is your source material for improving DDO.

This is ripe for abuse and clearly shows limited forethought for the game as a whole and concentrates, again, on personal game improvements.

You want to delete a character and use a part of his XP to bump up a fresh reroll to a higher level by NOT Questing? This is just XP Pot 'idea' with a different twist to it.

A big NO to this idea.

Real good advice there for someone making a suggestion.

Wow.

Just wow.

Way to look out for your Community and fellow gamers.

Oh, heres you starting on me.

Huh?

How does your loosing a job or being evicted related to not looking out for your fellow gamers and community?

So because its a game no need to look out for your fellow player and community members?

Selfish much?

Still, wow.

And another aimed at me and nothing to do with the subject.

See, I happen to care about the community and my fellow gamers - why I am an active poster and take part in the community.

May want to go back and re-read the thread, I have been here posting. Nice try playing the victim.

Now we're up to date on what YOU have 'contributed" to this topic.

GOOD JOB!?!?

[Cowdenicus]

I'd like to see us keep a portion of our XP from deleted characters.

For example, if I delete a level 5 a percentage4 of that XP would remain in the slot that I just deleted, granted to the next character I create in that slot.

While I am for developing a /respec option, I cannot agree with this suggestion because certain classes just play differently.

[Cowdenicus]

I dont like it. It makes no sense in a D&D capacity. Experiences of another character, in no way should benefit any other charcter. They didnt fight those monsters, why would they benefit? There is a core set of rules they are working from, this change would make no sense from a D&D standpoint(or is that the point?). I vote no.

So you are against 32 point builds?