Troll's Ring Coming Back?

[Lyletuba]

The main reason given for removing the Troll's Ring of Regen from the loot tables was that the Devs didn't want people waiting up to 10 minutes for one incap-ed party memeber to heal up to consciousness instead of everyone just finishing out and jumping back into the quest.

Now it seems that is exactly what they are going to encourage:

Plans for the future to address the negative gameplay experience of being permanently incapacitated include a slow auto-heal for stabilized characters to bring them back to 1 hp. (Yes, even Warforged will get to "repair up" over time.)

If you're unconscious, you can still /death to get to that shrine, and in the future you'll naturally heal up to consciousness.

It actually encourages waiting more than the Ring because every one will get back up, not just one person.

So ... does this mean the Troll's Ring might be back sometime soon?

[liamfrancais]

Yes that would be nice if it did.

[Laith]

not quite the same thing, as the troll ring increased your odds of stabilizing.

remember: the auto-heal thing only applies to people who have already stabilized.

you definately have a point though...

[Eladrin]

The main reason given for removing the Troll's Ring of Regen from the loot tables was that the Devs didn't want people waiting up to 10 minutes for one incap-ed party memeber to heal up to consciousness instead of everyone just finishing out and jumping back into the quest.

Actually, we don't really want you to sit there waiting for that party member to heal up from 1 hp to 496 hp. -9 to 1 we probably wouldn't have had much of a problem with.

[NameisToad]

Actually, we don't really want you to sit there waiting for that party member to heal up from 1 hp to 496 hp. -9 to 1 we probably wouldn't have had much of a problem with.

Eh... One Heal with Empower Healing and a Crit... I hit a guy for over 500hp the other day from a 53 sp Heal. I don't think the group could convince me waiting for the ring to heal him is worthwhile. I'd rather just drop group and go gain some experience. (My cleric is still only level 12...)

[Epitome]

As if any group is going to wait for someone to regen back up to full. I know I wouldn't.

[The_Silver_Griffon]

not quite the same thing, as the troll ring increased your odds of stabilizing.

remember: the auto-heal thing only applies to people who have already stabilized.

you definately have a point though...

That's really a pretty big difference since any amount of magical healing, even a single point, automatically stabilizes a dying character.

What I think could be acceptable to the devs might be a new version of the troll ring that sped up the auto-recovery of already stabilized characters. And maybe gave a really really slow hp recovery to conscious wounded characters. Say 1 hp every 3 minutes. Really only useful to avoid topping off the last few points after a fight.

[Lyletuba]

...the Devs didn't want people waiting up to 10 minutes for one incap-ed party memeber to heal up to consciousness...

Actually, we don't really want you to sit there waiting for that party member to heal up from 1 hp to 496 hp. -9 to 1 we probably wouldn't have had much of a problem with.

Um, where did you get 'heal to full' from? I never said it and the Devs never said it back when they removed the Ring from the loot tables.

It was the -9 to 1 that caused the Ring to be removed. Now that you admit it isn't a problem, there is no reason for the Ring to be out of the loot tables anymore. Hence my original post.

So does this mean it IS coming back, Eladrin?

[ArkoHighStar]

This change would never affect anyone but people who solo, it gives them a choice of not having to recall out if they stabilize, or those incapped in a place that a group is unable to get to them. The case is very specific you will only regen if you stabilize. If not you still count down to -10. No group if they can help it will watch an incapped player to see if he stabilizes so that they do not have to spend mana or use a wand.Rangers, paladins, clerics and bards can use a cure light wand at level 1 with 100% success, a rogue usually has a 40% shot or better if he is specced for UMD. So only a solo party or a party made up of arcane casters, fighter and barbarians would not be able to revive an incapped character, and even they can use healers kits to make an attempt.

[Lyletuba]

This change would never affect anyone but people who solo...or those incapped in a place that a group is unable to get to them.

I guess you never had a full party wipe with all dead except 1 incap-ed?

[Kalanth]

If it was truly a regeneration ring that it should restore your HP no matter if they are at 90 /100, -1 / 100, or -40 / 100. Afterall, a troll can technically come back to life unless you burn it after it is "dead."

[Beherit_Baphomar]

Actually, we don't really want you to sit there waiting for that party member to heal up from 1 hp to 496 hp. -9 to 1 we probably wouldn't have had much of a problem with.

I think what Eladrin is saying the reason the Troll ring was removed and wont be back is because they dont want something that can heal you, over time albeit, from -9 to 496 HP's...he's telling you why the ring wont be back.

[Eladrin]

Um, where did you get 'heal to full' from? I never said it and the Devs never said it back when they removed the Ring from the loot tables.

It was the -9 to 1 that caused the Ring to be removed. Now that you admit it isn't a problem, there is no reason for the Ring to be out of the loot tables anymore. Hence my original post.

It was "sit around for 20+ minutes waiting to heal to full" that got the ring removed, not incap-regen. Incap-regen was actually sort of neat - do you wear a more effective ring, or the Troll Regen ring since it might save the party from a wipe?

Much worse was "sit around for 20+ minutes waiting to heal to full, and then pass the ring off to the next injured party member for another 20+ minute afk". There's no way we wanted to see that become "normal", or worse "required".

So does this mean it IS coming back, Eladrin?

I doubt it will ever make a reappearance in its original form due to the problems outlined above. It was sort of neat though, as if you were only down a handful hp, you could tell the cleric "Don't bother topping me off, I'll heal as we run through the dungeon".

As if any group is going to wait for someone to regen back up to full.

You might be surprised.

[Mad_Bombardier]

It was the -9 to 1 that caused the Ring to be removed. Now that you admit it isn't a problem, there is no reason for the Ring to be out of the loot tables anymore. Hence my original post.

So does this mean it IS coming back, Eladrin?

There is still no need for a low level, farmable regen ring. They are adding the -9 to 1 stabilized regen for all players as a game mechanic with no gear. If you want the 1+ regen, you need to get raid loot Pouch of Jerky from the DQ.

I can actually see this being a bigger problem than boon. I can't tell you the number of times I've had players incapped, then wand whipped once to 1-10 HP by an overzealous non-cleric, only to have that player smacked dead in 1 hit by mobs that are still aggro'd on him. But, that'll be a new party mechanic challenge to overcome.

[Lyletuba]

It was "sit around for 20+ minutes waiting to heal to full" that got the ring removed, not incap-regen.

Much worse was "sit around for 20+ minutes waiting to heal to full, and then pass the ring off to the next injured party member for another 20+ minute afk". There's no way we wanted to see that become "normal", or worse "required".

Thanks for answering this one. I guess I was mistaken as to the original reason. Hard to check since there's no archive.

[jkm]

can't you tweak the ring to where it has a contingency effect? if your hit points fall below zero it hits you with a "eat jerky" type action that lasts for 2 minutes?

[Riddikulus]

It was "sit around for 20+ minutes waiting to heal to full" that got the ring removed, not incap-regen. Incap-regen was actually sort of neat - do you wear a more effective ring, or the Troll Regen ring since it might save the party from a wipe?

Much worse was "sit around for 20+ minutes waiting to heal to full, and then pass the ring off to the next injured party member for another 20+ minute afk". There's no way we wanted to see that become "normal", or worse "required".

And if the party is in such dire straits that it needs to do that, why not?

IMO that's better than a party wipe with the standard everyone but one recall out and regen at the tavern BS.

With enough regen rings in existance DDO could go to a model where once you leave a quest you can't come back in... that would fix a lot of the exploit problems you guys are having.

A cleric with a regen ring is a party XP saver...

[Naso24]

Please bring a regen ring of some sort back. It could be min level 9 so nobody would ever, under reasonable conditions, use it to regen to full. Most would start drinking potions once they hit 1 HP, and might use the ring to top off the last 10%

Either that, or add a trolls regen spell that lasts 5 min, and has the same effect as the old ring.

[maddong]

You might be surprised.

It definitely isn't worth it anymore. It will cost your pp/minute production ratio and your boss will fire you for bad job productivity. No, no, no, that isn't right, I mean it isn't fun.

[Mad_Bombardier]

Either that, or add a trolls regen spell that lasts 5 min, and has the same effect as the old ring.

That one is called Divine Healing.