/death = /screwed

[Yndrofian]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...22#post1320722

i gotta say... im not liking this idea AT all
its on risia now, and it may go live
hell, it prolly will go live, unless we can raise enough of a ruccus


talk amongst yourselves

[Hvymetal]

Doesn't really seem like that a big deal to me really, be a little better prepared, make sure you don't have all hp and dps and 0 saves, get someone to cure what ails you, or just deal with being, cursed, having neg levels or being a Pigeon roost.

/Death I have always said and always will say was/is a cheesy way out of problem.

[jaitee]

while it does make you think, it causes alot of problems, and only solve some

like i already said in another thread, i was in infernos damned, and somehow i got separated from my group, and was teleported elsewheres, only to find myself in the middle of a huge mob, chugging pots, wand healing, and i went incapped, i stable right beside the shrine, less then a foot away and i couldnt even use it, yes i could have waited for my group to come save me? and be bored for the next hour or two? or i could have released and taken a XP hit, their is really no reason to why i should not be able to /death and use the shrine

the way i see it, is if you want to die, then let us die, people are going to die reguardless of it anyways, if they cant /death then they will just stand there, with no false life item, no con item, no armor, no shield, and just die, and people will still just pick them up and go to town......i didnt even know /death in town was a exploit till people on here keeps saying its a exploit to /death in a tavern when you are pvping? when you have that curse from the cruicible? when you are too poor to buy a heal for femmblemind?

really, why was /death here in the first place, and now taken out?

people call it cheesy, and so what do you really care soo much that someone /death? are you getting a XP debt from it aswell? i mean really when someone /death, it has nothing to do with anyone else, but that person, i guess we will see how cheesy it is when you are still in the quest after 3 hours of waiting for a GM to remove you from the spot you got stuck at, while the rest of the group leaves

and it always bugs me to hear people say over and over and over "i have 10 neg lvls, i have 10 neg lvls, i have 10 neg lvls"
and the cleric is walking around with no sps

if someones saves are too low, and wont save, more likely they will not be helped, and just be told to /death and just re enter with the XP penalty, with the new /death

[Lorien_the_First_One]

while it does make you think, it causes alot of problems, and only solve some

like i already said in another thread, i was in infernos damned, and somehow i got separated from my group, and was teleported elsewheres, only to find myself in the middle of a huge mob, chugging pots, wand healing, and i went incapped, i stable right beside the shrine, less then a foot away and i couldnt even use it, yes i could have waited for my group to come save me? and be bored for the next hour or two? or i could have released and taken a XP hit, their is really no reason to why i should not be able to /death and use the shrine

And the Dev responded to that telling you it was a mistake and that it should/will only auto recall when you do this while concious in the future releases.

The only legit use of /death while you are concious is to get out of a situation where you are "stuck" due to a ddo bug. I think I"ve seen that 3 times in 9 months of play. (**** shrine once spawned ON TOP of me in Tor and trapped me inside of it). So now we may have to wait for a GM or recall out in those cases. Most of the /death use in quest was exploits.

[Cowdenicus]

And the Dev responded to that telling you it was a mistake and that it should/will only auto recall when you do this while concious in the future releases.

The only legit use of /death while you are concious is to get out of a situation where you are "stuck" due to a ddo bug. I think I"ve seen that 3 times in 9 months of play. (**** shrine once spawned ON TOP of me in Tor and trapped me inside of it). So now we may have to wait for a GM or recall out in those cases. Most of the /death use in quest was exploits.

I cannot begin to count the number of times I have been "stuck" in quests.

[ssg2wo]

Having scrolls of break enchantment will not help since you still have to roll against the monster that cast it.

I don't know if stone to flesh works the same way.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I cannot begin to count the number of times I have been "stuck" in quests.

lol...cow either you have really bad luck or you must really like jumping into strange places.

[Vordax]

And the Dev responded to that telling you it was a mistake and that it should/will only auto recall when you do this while concious in the future releases.

The only legit use of /death while you are concious is to get out of a situation where you are "stuck" due to a ddo bug. I think I"ve seen that 3 times in 9 months of play. (**** shrine once spawned ON TOP of me in Tor and trapped me inside of it). So now we may have to wait for a GM or recall out in those cases. Most of the /death use in quest was exploits.

Dimension door will get you out of most stuck spots too, and it can get you out being stuck in the shrine in the tor also.

Vordax

[Eldun]

/death was a wonderful way to get carried past the spikes in the crucible underwater death maze.

Guess I'll need to learn the swim if I want that last nice chest!! So long backpocket.

[ArkoHighStar]

while it does make you think, it causes alot of problems, and only solve some

like i already said in another thread, i was in infernos damned, and somehow i got separated from my group, and was teleported elsewheres, only to find myself in the middle of a huge mob, chugging pots, wand healing, and i went incapped, i stable right beside the shrine, less then a foot away and i couldnt even use it, yes i could have waited for my group to come save me? and be bored for the next hour or two? or i could have released and taken a XP hit, their is really no reason to why i should not be able to /death and use the shrine

the way i see it, is if you want to die, then let us die, people are going to die reguardless of it anyways, if they cant /death then they will just stand there, with no false life item, no con item, no armor, no shield, and just die, and people will still just pick them up and go to town......i didnt even know /death in town was a exploit till people on here keeps saying its a exploit to /death in a tavern when you are pvping? when you have that curse from the cruicible? when you are too poor to buy a heal for femmblemind?

really, why was /death here in the first place, and now taken out?

people call it cheesy, and so what do you really care soo much that someone /death? are you getting a XP debt from it aswell? i mean really when someone /death, it has nothing to do with anyone else, but that person, i guess we will see how cheesy it is when you are still in the quest after 3 hours of waiting for a GM to remove you from the spot you got stuck at, while the rest of the group leaves

and it always bugs me to hear people say over and over and over "i have 10 neg lvls, i have 10 neg lvls, i have 10 neg lvls"
and the cleric is walking around with no sps

if someones saves are too low, and wont save, more likely they will not be helped, and just be told to /death and just re enter with the XP penalty, with the new /death

the devs have stated that this has been changed and you will only be brought back to your bind point if you /death while conscious, if you are incapped /death will just kill you

[GeneralDiomedes]

the devs have stated that this has been changed and you will only be brought back to your bind point if you /death while conscious, if you are incapped /death will just kill you

Ah well .. some change to /death is better than nothing.

[GeneralDiomedes]

dupe

[GeneralDiomedes]

like i already said in another thread, i was in infernos damned, and somehow i got separated from my group, and was teleported elsewheres, only to find myself in the middle of a huge mob, chugging pots, wand healing, and i went incapped, i stable right beside the shrine, less then a foot away and i couldnt even use it, yes i could have waited for my group to come save me? and be bored for the next hour or two? or i could have released and taken a XP hit, their is really no reason to why i should not be able to /death and use the shrine

Nothing is stopping you from releasing. This is a poor example really of why /death should be allowed.

Or are you saying that getting separated from your group and dying alone from a bunch of mobs means that you should suffer no XP penalty? I think since you screwed up, you should not get the same XP as someone else. XP is a reward for doing something successfully.

[Borrigain]

Personally I like the change, I've always thought /death was just an excuse for lazy and poor play.

But........

If you all want to keep it that bad, how about attach a -100,000xp loss to doing it while conscious. That will a stigma to overcome.....ha ha!



Borr.

[jaitee]

Nothing is stopping you from releasing. This is a poor example really of why /death should be allowed.

Or are you saying that getting separated from your group and dying alone from a bunch of mobs means that you should suffer no XP penalty? I think since you screwed up, you should not get the same XP as someone else. XP is a reward for doing something successfully.

what are you talking about? have you even been in the infernos damned? and how did i screw up being teleported into a room by myself, with 10 guys in front of me? quit assuming things, till you know what im talking about

[Lorien_the_First_One]

No, it isn't.

The quest portal UI is broken.

Cosmetic and competely unimportant.

/death works exactly the way it should. It allows you to commit suicide any time you feel like it.

[/QUOTE]
Any good DM would put an end to this really quickly. Our DM just did.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

It has always bugged me to hear people say "just /death".

Just /death and the rogue will take us to the chest. Just /death to get rid of your negative levels...etc...etc...etc....

Good change really.

[Dkmafia]

Doesn't really seem like that a big deal to me really, be a little better prepared, make sure you don't have all hp and dps and 0 saves, get someone to cure what ails you, or just deal with being, cursed, having neg levels or being a Pigeon roost.

/Death I have always said and always will say was/is a cheesy way out of problem.

/signed agreed and excited!

[Knightrose]

I like the change to /death. It shoud have always been this way.

Death should have never been a game mechanic for quest completion. Nor should it be a fail-safe or tactic used to create second chances.

Death is death. Its purpose in-game is to create an instant, surprising end to what your character was currently doing.

Whine if you want, but your cries fall on deaf ears.

My 2pyreals.

[Attomic]

I just can't think of ANY "misuse" of /death that was common enough to warrant this "fix". Revert it, please. And while you're at it, if you're going to HAVE a recall function, might as well let people do it on the run again, instead of forcing them possibly to get killed and take an XP loss in order to accomplish pretty much the same thing.