/death = /screwed

[Aspenor]

Lets see you say that when you are incapped underwater with a UWA item on or stuck in or inside some terrain.

(and yes, both of these have happened to me on more than one occasion).

Hence the reason the change will not affect those people whom are unconscious.
*snick snack went my ninja blade, that has to hurt!*

[Riddikulus]

/death is for noobs and exploiters

Lets see you say that when you are incapped underwater with a UWA item on or stuck in or inside some terrain.

(and yes, both of these have happened to me on more than one occasion).

[Riddikulus]

Hence the reason the change will not affect those people whom are unconscious.
*snick snack went my ninja blade, that has to hurt!*

True, but then you've just called that noob and exploting.

[BUpcott]

I bow to your mario-ness.

Unfortunately, IMO, you are in the minority, most of us being unable to shoot ourselves out of a paper bag with a BFG. So Turbine has to coddle to the least common denominator.

I don't think he is a minority.

[Riddikulus]

I don't think he is a minority.

Did you see all the complaints about "The Pit"?

Twitch gamers are definitely a minority here.

I'd say on the order of 20% from what I've seen.

[Aspenor]

True, but then you've just called that noob and exploting.

Not really, don't assert things you know aren't true just to try making me look silly. You knew what I was talking about.

[Palmetto]

I bow to your mario-ness.

Unfortunately, IMO, you are in the minority, most of us being unable to shoot ourselves out of a paper bag with a BFG. So Turbine has to coddle to the least common denominator.

.................. and those that whine the longest / loudest.

[Aspenor]

Btw, only noobs go incap

[Riddikulus]

Not really, don't assert things you know aren't true just to try making me look silly. You knew what I was talking about.

Yes, I knew what you meant, but blanket statements like that deserve blanket refutations.

[Aspenor]

Yes, I knew what you meant, but blanket statements like that deserve blanket refutations.

Blanket refutations are for wet blankets.

[Riddikulus]

Blanket refutations are for wet blankets.

Hah. At least you didn't ninja me that time. I'm wearing you down. You're getting weak. You will succumb to the noob side.

[Palmetto]

Not really, don't assert things you know aren't true just to try making me look silly. You knew what I was talking about.

You don't need any outside influence with that.

[Aspenor]

Hah. At least you didn't ninja me that time. I'm wearing you down. You're getting weak. You will succumb to the noob side.

Lies!

[BUpcott]

Did you see all the complaints about "The Pit"?

Twitch gamers are definitely a minority here.

I'd say on the order of 20% from what I've seen.

IMO people complained more cause they would get lost or it was too difficult for them and used the "mario defense".

[Aspenor]

You don't need any outside influence with that.

I'm in one of those moods this morning.

[Aspenor]

But seriously, I wouldn't be half surprised if the developers at Turbine consider /death at any time except for incapacitated as an exploit. Not a bannable or punishable exploit, but an exploit that needed to be looked at.

Plus this change puts a stop to a couple major exploits that have not been mentioned. /claps

[Riddikulus]

But seriously, I wouldn't be half surprised if the developers at Turbine consider /death at any time except for incapacitated as an exploit. Not a bannable or punishable exploit, but an exploit that needed to be looked at.

Yeah, I think /death was their answer to /stuck in most other games. People just found creative ways to use it, probably even more so than if they had properly implemented a /stuck command.

Plus this change puts a stop to a couple major exploits that have not been mentioned. /claps

I'm don't know specifically what these are, but I can well imagine what can be done. The question is if this will truely fix it or if it will still be circumventable (e.g. still being able to get to restless isle quests due to puddings killing you).

[Riddikulus]

I wasn't really referring to the Restless Isles since that has been discussed at length already.

I know... it was just an example I know personally.

it will mostly just making performing these exploits much more time consuming, not necessarily impossible.

If it won't prevent the exploit, what is the point of making the change then?

*hah, ninja'd the ninja-er... you *are* getting weak. You will succumb.

[Aspenor]

I'm don't know specifically what these are, but I can well imagine what can be done. The question is if this will truely fix it or if it will still be circumventable (e.g. still being able to get to restless isle quests due to puddings killing you).

I wasn't really referring to the Restless Isles since that has been discussed at length already. it will mostly just making performing these exploits much more time consuming, not necessarily impossible.

[Aspenor]

*hah, ninja'd the ninja-er... you *are* getting weak. You will succumb.

I imagine its to prevent farmers from being able to farm raids in less than 20 minutes.