Make Clerical Healing Spells Cost No SP.

[Drak]

Or they could perma ban dingo from the forums, so we dont have to see any of his insane drivel

[Perceval418]

Nowhere close to signed. Clerics are already among the most powerful classes in the game when played to their potential. Clerics who are broke need to A) Learn to play better B) Learn to avoid terrible group mates or C) Learn to accept the consequences of their not learning the things listed in A and B.

Furthermore in most PUGS people give the cleric a wand or two, or give them the wands that drop in chests. I know i do. And alot of people carry healing pots to help alliviate the clerics burdens.

[Aspenor]

/stomps on this thread

KILL IT!! KILL IT!!!

[blakbyrd]

/stomps on this thread

KILL IT!! KILL IT!!!

I completely agree. But as we all probably know by now, cleric discussions do not end. The only apparent way to end one is to start another.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I completely agree. But as we all probably know by now, cleric discussions do not end. The only apparent way to end one is to start another.

The problem is cleric discussions come with a built in raise dead spell.

[KALASHTAR]

Nowhere close to signed. Clerics are already among the most powerful classes in the game when played to their potential. Clerics who are broke need to A) Learn to play better B) Learn to avoid terrible group mates or C) Learn to accept the consequences of their not learning the things listed in A and B.

OK THIS HAS TO BE SAID, BAD PARTYS OFTEN BLAME THE CLERIC, BUT SOMETIMES IT REALLY IS THE PARTY, IF YOUR GETTING WIPED AT EVERY TURN, TRY DOING SOMETING A LITTLE LESS TESTING, MAYBEY GO ON HARD INSTEAD OF ELITE, ITS NOT ALWAYS THE CLERICS FAULT THAT YOUR BARBARIAN CAN'T KEEP FROM GETTING SQUISHED IN EVERY SINGLE BATTLE, ITS THE REST OF THE CHARECTER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THE CLERIC LESS TASKED SOMETIMES, BUT PERSONALLY i WILL NOT BAIL ON A GROUP (UNLESS GAME BOOTS ME, WHICH HAPPENS SOMETIMES) EVEN IF i FIND OUT THAT THE GROUP IS A BUNCH OF TARDS WHO REALLY CAN'T FIGHT EVEN SO MUCH AS A KOBALD WITHOUT GOING THRU 400 OF THE CLERICS MANA POINTS (DON'T LAUGH TOO HARD, I'VE SEEN IT)

[Grizzt14]

Ok guys seriously, if the cleric needs extra scrolls soo much that he/she complains about money either A. they spend to much sp on meta feats or B. the party is reckless and cant heal themselves with pots or C. The cleric can't manage the sp bar well. thats just what it comes down too

[Takllin]

I cant actually believe this was posted, what were you thinking!! You know you could maybe not give so many buffs, that saves sp, I have wands that I use rarely ever use, I always have alot of elixirs on hand in case if we need to go into a big fight and im low on sp, I have a lvl 6 battlcleric and i rarely ever use wands. I took one level of fighter so my sp is alot lower than most level 6 clerics. I always have 3 or 4 CMW, 1 CLW and occasionaly a CSW wand when i get around to buying one. You need to invest in other ways to get sp like someone said before, take a level, of sorc to get alot more sp. I am low on money alot with many low level toons and I never complain about no money.

/never ever signed, this would ruin the intergrity of the game

[redslayer]

So sor need more points and cleric didnt get much boast. For those clerics that only carry 30 heal scrolls I know you never did reaver or titan on elite. As good as some the groups I have been in sometimes just doesnt go right. I have been in groups that use 100 heal scrolls not usaly but has happened,and to say you only have 3 wands in a monthyou must not play much. I do not know about free but healing spells shoud use less sp make it a feat or something.

[JelloMold]

OK THIS HAS TO BE SAID, BAD PARTYS OFTEN BLAME THE CLERIC, BUT SOMETIMES IT REALLY IS THE PARTY, IF YOUR GETTING WIPED AT EVERY TURN, TRY DOING SOMETING A LITTLE LESS TESTING, MAYBEY GO ON HARD INSTEAD OF ELITE, ITS NOT ALWAYS THE CLERICS FAULT THAT YOUR BARBARIAN CAN'T KEEP FROM GETTING SQUISHED IN EVERY SINGLE BATTLE, ITS THE REST OF THE CHARECTER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THE CLERIC LESS TASKED SOMETIMES, BUT PERSONALLY i WILL NOT BAIL ON A GROUP (UNLESS GAME BOOTS ME, WHICH HAPPENS SOMETIMES) EVEN IF i FIND OUT THAT THE GROUP IS A BUNCH OF TARDS WHO REALLY CAN'T FIGHT EVEN SO MUCH AS A KOBALD WITHOUT GOING THRU 400 OF THE CLERICS MANA POINTS (DON'T LAUGH TOO HARD, I'VE SEEN IT)

Ok, Ok, just stop shouting.

Seriously folks, who ressurected this tired old thread? Worse still, why have the latest posters said the same thing that was said over the last 100 pages or so?

[Tenkari_Rozahas]

Oo this threads still alive? i think we all got our points across.

*casts greater patience summoning and then casts empowered/heightened thread destruction.*

[Symar-FangofLloth]

Oo this threads still alive? i think we all got our points across.

*casts greater patience summoning and then casts empowered/heightened thread destruction.*

*Smacks Tenkari* Get back to our roleplaying, and let this thread die.

[sammyhextall]

Howdy

I know lots of clerics who do nothing but heal. the problem is people want to be BattleClerics, I am guessing this is the real reason behind this. Cause no one would randomly blurt out give clerics more sp Or make Healing Free, then say they dont have one.
Nah this stinks of wanting to be a battlecleric and finding out thats not as easy as he thought.

First off I have tons of cleric friends, They range in all levels. One of the younger (IE lower level) and becomeing pretty popular in my server is name is Deanna. She is a great healer, who does keep everyone healed fully. Not 80%. cause sometimes you can get surrounded and bang dead. Yeah she uses wands and heals. Only time she will cast command or some other spell to help out a party who has to much aggro. I have never heard her complain about anything in being a cleric... only that the other players running off then crying when they died. but for the most part she keeps enough Sp to even buff people before she shrines.
She dont ask for money. she dont like taking it, but from the few times I grouped with her and from hearing from other friends. they want her to get more wands and stuff cause she does a great job healing. And if she is reading this Bet she is blushing right now ^^

As for wanting more SP there are enhancements you can take, Feat, (I believe) Armor, Items, etc etc to raise SP. They have wands, scrolls to help healing (though yeah they are back up)
I know some clerics who dont care about funds, Not that they are rich they rather use 20 wands if it keeps everyone alive.

If you want to be a BattleCleric, Then Be a Pally, I have dumped a healer from a group once or twice for lack of healing expect themself. Then when they say why you dismiss me. I said you are not doing what your class is for. He says I am a battle cleric I attack. I say yeah well good luck with that. *adds to DGWL "Don't Group With List"*
Anyway this all just sounds like you want higher SP so you can be a battle cleric.
A cleric is like a Field Medic. Yeah they might have a gun but their main job should be protection and healing of the party. Not using the Mini gun.

It's fine if you want to make a battlecleric. But at least tell your group that when you join, The chance of you healing them is slim and none. less Pwipes that way, and us looking at the cleric going what happen.

Heck I even had one cleric say after two warriors died... "Sorry Not my problem"

To finish, the people that say I only use 1/2 sp per quest cause I am super cleric. Or I dont use stinking wands or scrolls. Even better I only use 1/2 a wand per month blah blah yeah yeah. that sounds good and all and *pats you on the back* Congrats if you can do that.
You can use half per Rest shrine. etc. It's all on how you build your cleric.

Done Ranting now
Game on!

[Aesop]

I can't believe this thread hasn't died yet... come on folks its got scavengers all around it let it go...


Can I get a Sorceror over here to cast FoD on this puppy

Aesop

[Razore]

I play a cleric and have been playing clerics from beta. Multiple builds. Ive played the endgame and noob game from every aspect of a cleric. Clerics is all i do . Id say reliance on scrolls and wands are more then they should be. Potentialy clerics dont have enough raw healing power to keep up with the hit dice that mellees have and the raw dps of mobs in this game. If not a mana concern sometimes its simply a timer concern. You JUST CANT rely 100% on casting spells and not scrolls/wands. What i would like to see is Scrolls and wands being removed as a purchaseable item in testing.. Too see how effective people are at healing without them.

In two examples. Gianthold tor, with a guild group or a VERY well organised pug, i can run the entire quest spending a few wand charges and maybe 5 heal scrolls. Being wasteful even. But as everyone knows you cant ALWAYS have a top notch guild group for this quest. With a poorly organised group i can spend charges from 2 or 3 wands easily and maybe 2 dozen heal scrolls just trying to keep up with the hp loss of the group.

Elitists say what you will. But you cant always rely on your group being geared and experianced. Its just not feasable in this game. And i dont buy a word that any guy says after he says. My cleric dosnt need to use scrolls or wands in a quest in this game. You A have not played at the high end for long. OR B have been spoiled by well geared toons in your regular groups.


My petition~ Remove readily availible divine scrolls and wands.

[GlassCannon]

I play a cleric and have been playing clerics from beta. Multiple builds. Ive played the endgame and noob game from every aspect of a cleric. Clerics is all i do . Id say reliance on scrolls and wands are more then they should be. Potentialy clerics dont have enough raw healing power to keep up with the hit dice that mellees have and the raw dps of mobs in this game. If not a mana concern sometimes its simply a timer concern. You JUST CANT rely 100% on casting spells and not scrolls/wands. What i would like to see is Scrolls and wands being removed as a purchaseable item in testing.. Too see how effective people are at healing without them.

In two examples. Gianthold tor, with a guild group or a VERY well organised pug, i can run the entire quest spending a few wand charges and maybe 5 heal scrolls. Being wasteful even. But as everyone knows you cant ALWAYS have a top notch guild group for this quest. With a poorly organised group i can spend charges from 2 or 3 wands easily and maybe 2 dozen heal scrolls just trying to keep up with the hp loss of the group.

Elitists say what you will. But you cant always rely on your group being geared and experianced. Its just not feasable in this game. And i dont buy a word that any guy says after he says. My cleric dosnt need to use scrolls or wands in a quest in this game. You A have not played at the high end for long. OR B have been spoiled by well geared toons in your regular groups.


My petition~ Remove readily availible divine scrolls and wands.

This would make Risia quite interesting.

I'd say give it a go, for at least a month, and drop 5x xp and +2 to loot for the duration.

[Mercules]

I do not know about free but healing spells shoud use less sp make it a feat or something.

You mean like Empower Healing Spell and then taking the enhancements to reduce the cost so you end up with 150% healing for 115% of the cost? You mean other enhancements like Devotion to boost the amount of healing you get from one cast giving you more like 200% of the healing(with an item as well) for 115% of the cost?

DDO already makes casting a Cure spell twice as effective as in PnP D&D.