Make Clerical Healing Spells Cost No SP.

[Mad_Bombardier]

Why'd you give the level 1 Pally the 100 bonus?Pally's dont get Any SP until level 4, so one level of Pally would give you a big fat Zero. Look at the chart. a level 1 pally it says gets Zero Spell points.

0 Base SP. 100 Ability Bonus SP from 28 WIS. Look at the chart at the bottom.

[Tavok]

I've only read through the first few pages, but has anyone even MENTIONED bards?

[Tavok]

Your change would guarantee that most of the players left would depart in disgust. Everyone here (possibly excluding you) came because the D&D title. We would prefer to see some semblance of D&D remain.

I started playing this game never have even seen anything D&D like in my life.

[Mercules]

I've only read through the first few pages, but has anyone even MENTIONED bards?

Nope... Bard-Cleric-Druid-Ranger-Paladin the class doesn't matter at all. Being reliant on another character for all your healing is dumb, plain and simple. Forcing them to heal you at a large cost to them, is rude, plain and simple.


How many team wipes could have been avoided if everyone else in the party had an alternate way to remove a Curse, or Blindness, or even get people's, including their own, health back up? Nothing is worse than being the Cleric incapped and having 5 people, 4 of which could use a wand if their carried it, stare at you and count your HPs down with you.

[Hendrik]

Nope... Bard-Cleric-Druid-Ranger-Paladin the class doesn't matter at all. Being reliant on another character for all your healing is dumb, plain and simple. Forcing them to heal you at a large cost to them, is rude, plain and simple.


How many team wipes could have been avoided if everyone else in the party had an alternate way to remove a Curse, or Blindness, or even get people's, including their own, health back up? Nothing is worse than being the Cleric incapped and having 5 people, 4 of which could use a wand if their carried it, stare at you and count your HPs down with you.

Or, Heaven forbid, someone puts points into the Heal Skill....

[Mercules]

Or, Heaven forbid, someone puts points into the Heal Skill....

My WF Fighter/Wizard carries Healing Kits(which reminds me I need to stock a few more) and a Sustenance item so he can get fleshies up. He can wand heal himself and other WF, but those dang human Clerics don't respond to Repair wands.

[Dingo123]

Now Im ****ed.
Dude you are an idiot. I have tried so hard to never flame anyone but dude you are an idiot. How is a pack of scrolls and wands broken... They cost Plat. Secondly as i said before if I can run my bard through the quest as the only healer in the group not blow all my mana and use hardly any wands then any cleric can do it. My battle cleric i used to run could fight and heal with out a problem. The only time i ever relied on wands was when i first started running a Cleric and didnt know what I was doing. Heck Ive run many quests without even having a cleric in the party.Fact is free healing would be a friggin joke. THAT would cause a lot of people to leave the game includeing me.
Please save us from your stupidity and leave....JUST LEAVE

**** I am so ****sed.....

People say infinite free SP is broken, people would leave in disgust, it's terribly unbalanced, etc etc etc.

Let's say I have a few million gold pieces. I buy a few thousand heal scrolls. I now have a vast supply of free SP. Even if it costs me Plat... I still have nearly endless amounts of free healing power.

So on one hand, you're in favor of a player having vast quantities of free spell points... but on the other hand, you're against a player having vast quantities of free spell points.

Does the scroll SP cost plat? Certainly. So who does that favor? The Cleric with money. The Cleric with money has endless amounts of free SP... the broke Cleric is feverishly using his last wand.

We already have a system of sp free healing spells. You just have to be wealthy to take advantage of it.

[Aspenor]

People say infinite free SP is broken, people would leave in disgust, it's terribly unbalanced, etc etc etc.

Let's say I have a few million gold pieces. I buy a few thousand heal scrolls. I now have a vast supply of free SP. Even if it costs me Plat... I still have nearly endless amounts of free healing power.

So on one hand, you're in favor of a player having vast quantities of free spell points... but on the other hand, you're against a player having vast quantities of free spell points.

Does the scroll SP cost plat? Certainly. So who does that favor? The Cleric with money. The Cleric with money has endless amounts of free SP... the broke Cleric is feverishly using his last wand.

We already have a system of sp free healing spells. You just have to be wealthy to take advantage of it.

Oh, I got it. So this is all to help out the broke clerics....

Who cares?

My wizard is a necromancer. I request that all finger of death spells cost NO SP, because I can just drink one of my endless pile of Mnemonic Enhancers.

[teddok]

People say infinite free SP is broken, people would leave in disgust, it's terribly unbalanced, etc etc etc.

Let's say I have a few million gold pieces. I buy a few thousand heal scrolls. I now have a vast supply of free SP. Even if it costs me Plat... I still have nearly endless amounts of free healing power.

So on one hand, you're in favor of a player having vast quantities of free spell points... but on the other hand, you're against a player having vast quantities of free spell points.

Does the scroll SP cost plat? Certainly. So who does that favor? The Cleric with money. The Cleric with money has endless amounts of free SP... the broke Cleric is feverishly using his last wand.

We already have a system of sp free healing spells. You just have to be wealthy to take advantage of it.

Why will you not let this DIE. We have told to countless times and countless reasons why this is a bad idea. Why do you posting this ****. Please stop and save our sanity. How is being able to buy scroll infinite SP. Please explain exactily how. If i ran my cleric the way you are suggesting that Million Plat would be gone in less then a week. Like the restof us have said before my cleric hardly ever has to use scrolls or wands. Hell my bard hardly ever has to use scroll or wands.
Please go away.

[jaitee]

well my cleric, never goes broke, because she never gets any play time

[GeneralDiomedes]

Tactics. Teamwork. Perhaps you have heard of them? I know it takes time .. but for someone new to the game (and I AM assuming you are new to the game) I suppose it's a natural reaction to want to change everything that you perceive as a problem.

BTW - there is a problem with unlimited wands, but the solution is not to give away free mana. The solution is to introduce scarcity of resources so players think more about what they are doing. I shudder to think the levels of stupidity that this game would sink to if healing was free ...

[Aspenor]

/sarcasm on
While we're at it, please allow fighters to heal themselves for free. I mean, buying healing potions is a hassle. Since we're all running around with gobs of money, all fighters need to have a Cure Serious Wounds clickie with unlimited charges.

Thank you, that is all.

[Tavok]

People say infinite free SP is broken, people would leave in disgust, it's terribly unbalanced, etc etc etc.

Let's say I have a few million gold pieces. I buy a few thousand heal scrolls. I now have a vast supply of free SP. Even if it costs me Plat... I still have nearly endless amounts of free healing power.

So on one hand, you're in favor of a player having vast quantities of free spell points... but on the other hand, you're against a player having vast quantities of free spell points.

Does the scroll SP cost plat? Certainly. So who does that favor? The Cleric with money. The Cleric with money has endless amounts of free SP... the broke Cleric is feverishly using his last wand.

We already have a system of sp free healing spells. You just have to be wealthy to take advantage of it.

You just summed up the answer yourself. "You have to be wealthy to take advantage of it." Do you even realize that not EVERYONE in this game (even those who have been around for over a year) has their own plat burning holes in their pockets? Unless you play/focus on 1 or 2 toons, its extremely hard to keep a steady flow/amount of cash flowing. I play (or played I suppose, just troll for the forums, don't play the game lol) 14 different toons, no banks. It was an immense task trying to keep my plat in balance. Even pre merge, with 8 toons, it was still extremely hard.

[knight2k]

People say infinite free SP is broken, people would leave in disgust, it's terribly unbalanced, etc etc etc.

Let's say I have a few million gold pieces. I buy a few thousand heal scrolls. I now have a vast supply of free SP. Even if it costs me Plat... I still have nearly endless amounts of free healing power.

First your claim that it is a nearly endless supply is in error. It is extremely finite. You first had to earn those gold pieces and now they are gone. Before you can buy another stack of thousands of heal scrolls you will have to earn more gold. Believe me your stack of scrolls will shrink faster than your gold pieces will accumulate. It is NOT the same so you are comparing the proverbial apples to oranges.

If you stated you had an infinite supply of plat to buy those scrolls with, then you have something similar. *If* you had an infinite supply of plat can you not see how game breaking that would be? You want to grant infinite spell points with no consequences. Spending spell points to heal has its consequences. If you run out you cannot heal and must then fall back to wands and scrolls which also have consequences in that they cost plat. This forces strategy and teamwork without which you could just zerg through each and every quest with no fear of failure.

Infinite spell points is no different than granting infinite plat and will completely break the game. There is not a single other game that I know of that has even attempted this ridiculous idea.

Just because clerics and other healing classes fall back on wands from time to time is not a basis to claim that they should be given infinite SP. Good strategy and teamwork negate this problem every single time. I play a Bard myself and have main healed quite often. I fall back on wands mainly so I can chain heal since I am not a true healer. Wands are on a different timer than my heal spells so I can alternate. My Bard on Sarlona is the only character there and has no ability to be twinked. She is lvl 7, has close to 200k gold and is carrying 2 CMW and 1 CSW just about full and none of which were donated to her. She pugs almost all the time and backup heals and CCs mostly. If she can do this any true cleric can.

You want to basically implement a big EASY button so you can win every single time with little to no effort. Do you really think the game will be very fun when you know going in that you cannot lose or be killed? The whole reason I came to DDO in the first place was because of the difficulty. I *want* it hard. I want to have that risk of a party wipe. It makes your victories that much sweeter.

There are many things in this game I would like to see changed or tweaked but cleric spell points in NOT one of them.

[isldur]

Look lets be short and let this thread die.....

How many responses and not one agreeing with you.....um 135 lol

That should tell you something, YOUR WRONG, poor suggestion, sorry. Apparently your the only one for this change so implementing it would upset everyone but you therefore it is bad for the game.


THE END

[Dingo123]

Why will you not let this DIE. We have told to countless times and countless reasons why this is a bad idea. Why do you posting this ****. Please stop and save our sanity. How is being able to buy scroll infinite SP. Please explain exactily how. If i ran my cleric the way you are suggesting that Million Plat would be gone in less then a week. Like the restof us have said before my cleric hardly ever has to use scrolls or wands. Hell my bard hardly ever has to use scroll or wands.
Please go away.

But the essence is the same.

Regardless of how you GOT the sp... you're walking into that quest with far and away more SP than norm. Clerics have been known to walk into Raids and burn 100 Heal Scrolls.

Could they have done that without those heal scrolls?


I'm telling you the game would change relatively little for the worse and far more for the better.

PLENTY of teams have died while the cleric had full SP, or close to it.

Legions of teams have had dead members that the Cleric simply couldn't keep up with in healing, despite having SP to go around.

However, freeing up that SP so the Cleric could cast more offensively with impudence would increase the CLerics desirability for far more players and increase the liklihood of people playing battle Clerics as well.

[Dingo123]

No, the essence is NOT the same. Keep telling yourself it is. Just so you know, we're all laughing at you.

Prove it. And you're welcome to revel in your group mentality. You're one of the crowd laughing at the individual. Go you. Feel powerful now? *laugh* =)

[Dingo123]

You want to basically implement a big EASY button so you can win every single time with little to no effort. Do you really think the game will be very fun when you know going in that you cannot lose or be killed? The whole reason I came to DDO in the first place was because of the difficulty. I *want* it hard. I want to have that risk of a party wipe. It makes your victories that much sweeter.

There are many things in this game I would like to see changed or tweaked but cleric spell points in NOT one of them.

If having sp enough for spells were enough to keep people alive why do people still die rather frequently no less, even when the Cleric has SP?

SP, in and of itself, is not enough to keep a player alive.

If I gave someone a hundred thousand heal scrolls, people on his team would still die now and again.

[Hendrik]

My WF Fighter/Wizard carries Healing Kits(which reminds me I need to stock a few more) and a Sustenance item so he can get fleshies up. He can wand heal himself and other WF, but those dang human Clerics don't respond to Repair wands.

LOL

Dang fleshies anyways!



I have been 'pushing' my guild mates to take a few point in Heal for what seems like forever now. Finally some have listened and have saved many a lives with it, mine included....

Now, if they, the Humans, only listen and pick up a rank or two in Human Recovery...

[Aspenor]

Prove it. And you're welcome to revel in your group mentality. You're one of the crowd laughing at the individual. Go you. Feel powerful now? *laugh* =)

Plat /= Free SP

Plat is a resource. A resource that must be earned.

That is all.