XP Debt should be able to be Bought-out

[binnsr]

"Tact is for people not witty enough to be sarcastic"

-my T-Shirt


Aesop

lol nice..

[Uska]

I dont think it should wear off with time as it is you should have to quest to get rid off it and no way should you able to buy it off

[Cendaer]

I think that XP debt should be able to be bought out. I think that there should be a penalty for it, it should be expensive, but since more adeventure areas are going to slayer areas, there should be another easy waty to rid oneself of XP debt.

Until they reign in the dupers and plat sellers, putting a stop to the illicit RMT for currency and items, I say absolutely do NOT allow XP debt to paid off with coins.

Even if they did put a stop to RMT for currency and items, I'd still have to disagree with this idea, because XP debt is already trivial.

[Drak]

I think that XP debt should be able to be bought out. I think that there should be a penalty for it, it should be expensive, but since more adeventure areas are going to slayer areas, there should be another easy waty to rid oneself of XP debt.

simply sack yourself in POP and "poof" XP debt gone.

unless you were foolish enough to milk it to death to cap L14, in which case, tough, put up with it

[Hvymetal]

Obnoxious.

But true.

[LOUDRampart]

It would be an opportunity for those who buy plat from farmers to have even a greater advantage.

How do we know that the OP isn't a plat seller coming up with a scheme to sell more plat?

[Dariun]

Sometimes the truth hurts .. regardless of the tactfulness of delivery.

The truth doesn't bother me.

Telling someone who complains about XP debt to "don't die" is obnoxious because it is essentially an insult disguised as advice. It's like telling a homeless person to "get a job", or a self conscious, shy young man to "just go pick up a chick", or someone living in a crime ridden neighborhood to "move if you don't like it".

It's an easy, simple, self righteous, and absolutely worthless response.

Telling someone who complains about XP debt to "deal with it because that's the rule of the game" is much closer to the truth and much less obnoxious.

[Arlith]

........guy walks into DMV and says "hey I wanna drive my car off a bridge how much will that cost me" lady says "10000 plat" guy says " cool! I wanna do it twice".

How much to run over my ex??


Back to original topic.

We shoud be able to buy ourselves outta xp debt.

/3 months later

We should be able to buy xp

/3 months later

We sghould be able to auction off XP

/3 months later

We should be able to buy levels

/3 months later

We we should be able to auction levels

/3 months later

Everyone is 14 as soon as they complete the Goodblade quests.



No thanks.

[theblaz]

Few thoughts...

If XP debt is so trivial as some of our uber overloards have said, then why do you care if people spend money on it? It's not important, right?

Many of those against it seem stuck in the "You kids get off my lawn!" mentality. It's actually funny to see.

As for the plat seller aspect of the argument, I think if someone's dumb enough to buy 3000 XP to get out of debt, then they should do it as often as possible to get caught for buying plat. I think more plat sellers would actually get CAUGHT if XP debt were able to be bought off. So many lazy people would do it that they couldn't HELP but be caught.

I personally couldn't care less. I'd never do it because I don't have money to burn (plus I think it's just stupid), but I find it extremely funny that the same people who bray over and over that "XP debt is trivial" or "plat is trivial to come by" are the same people who can routinely 3 man the dragon or whatever the newest e-peen measuring stick is lately.

"Eating food" is pretty trivial, too, as long as you have money to buy it. Try preaching and being holier-than-thou about food to a homeless, starving man. You'll get spit in the face, if you're lucky.

A lot of people seem to forget that we're not all playing the same game. We're not all raiding, we're not all roleplaying, we're not all casual. What's easy for some is not easy for all, nor SHOULD it be. People who play for hundreds of hours should have more money, more xp and better gear than those who play for tens of hours.

But those who play for hundreds of hours should stop being pricks to us "lessers," as well.

[PaintHorseCowboy]

I'm going to point out something so obvious, it should have all of these folks asking to buy out XP Debt smacking their foreheads and saying, "I could've had a V-8!"

Also, I don't intend to be one of those types of players that all of us who have played PnP hate, every time a discrepency comes up, out comes "THE RULE BOOK". Rather, I'm using this as a base of reference to make a comparison of how our DM's/Dev's, really do have a decent system worked out. Especially since the stated intention, as far as I am aware, was to make DDO play in as similar a manner to PnP as possible. While yes, XP debt is trivial to those like myself who have multiple capped toons, the rest should not really be complaining either. It could be far, FAR worse for you. Please pay particular attention to what happens when you are revived.

Pulled from the Player's Handbook:

Bringing Back the Dead:
Several spells have the power to restore slain characters to life. Divine spells are better at reviving the dead than arcane spells are. When a living creature dies, its soul departs the body, leaves the Materiel Plane, travels through the Astral Plane, and goes to abide on the plane where the creature's diety resides. If the creature did not worship a diety, its soul departs to the plane corresponding to its alignment. Bringing someone back from the dead means retrieving his or her soul and returning it to his or her body.

Level Loss:
The passage from life to death and back again is a wrenching journey for a being's soul. Consequently, any creature brought back to life loses one level of experience. The character's new XP total is midway between the minimum needed for his or her new level, and the minimum needed for the next one. If the character was 1st level, he or she loses 1 point of Constitution instead of losing a level. This level loss or Constitution loss cannot be repaired by any mortal spell, even a Wish or Miriacle. Still, the revived character can improve his or her Constitution normally (at 4th, 8th, 12th, 16th, and 20th level) and earn experience by further adventuring to regain the lost level.

End information from Player's Handbook. Preventing Revivification and Revivification Against One's Will were left out since in it's current format, the game does not support these concepts.

A sobering thought isn't it? Especially for the "lesser" players as you so designated them. If you think it is difficult getting rid of XP debt now, especially since, if you are a casual player, by the time you next login your XP debt is pretty much gone as it stands right now, imagine if they implemented this.

Yes, you have less "uber" equipment which means you probably die a bit more often. Now, imagine you lose a full level every time you die. If you don't like the XP debt system now, you're gonna LOVE that.

Maybe it's time to realize just how good we have it.

[valreesio]

Sometimes things happen in the game that make you die. Accidents happen. But from my relatively little amount of experience, people die because they do not play smart. I can tell you the biggest reason I die with my THW Fighter is from taking more aggro than I can deal with. I have gone through quests where the caster heals nobody but me because no one else takes any aggro. Now this said, there are times that I could have switched to sword and board and not died, but I made a choice.

I die, I take an xp hit, it should not regenerate, be bought back, etc. I would probably be in favor of losing levels if it came about. I am not uber elite, I may be a newb, noob, whatever. My highest level character is level 7. my next highest is level three. I have been playing since June.

Last thing, I once saw a thread on there being a death counter or times since last death counter. I liked this idea a lot. The op said why not get an xp bonus for going so many quests without dying (whatever...would just like the counter). This would be a great way to give another goal in the game, even without reward. If you do not like the counter, turn it off or do not look at it. Though you could somehow make it into a favor thing for so many quests without deaths?

Anyone else remember the thread?

[jim0ijk]

The XP debt in the game is completely arbitrary. It does not follow historical DnD rules. Since it runs off, buying it off makes equal sense. I never use plat sellers, and delete their mail unread, so I never think of them unless the tell me which does annoy me, but haven't been telled by them in a while. I have never had more than 5k in XP debt. I do die rarely, however the penalty for death (ie XP debt) is the one thing in the game that truely annoys me. I often solo so that I can learn quests, rather than be pulled through them by someone who is XP farming, and this sometimes leads to death where death would not typically occur. I also solo to better learn my character, (ie which spell is more effective, which wepon is more effective) which also leads to solo death. XP is more dear to me than Gold, as I rarely buy things (the main exception being cure serious wand s that I give to clerics). I am not Capped, as many on the forum are. I don't carry more than 1 mil gold as many here do. I would like the option to spend gold as my death penalty as opposed to Xp debt, said debt being completely arbitrary and no one here has given a valid reason for it not being available. (mostly people have just called me stupid, which is always appreciated) The closest to a valid arguement is the slippery slope arguement, but I think buying XP is a far stretch from my suggestion.

[binnsr]

The XP debt in the game is completely arbitrary. It does not follow historical DnD rules.

I think you just contradicted yourself .. You want it to follow PnP rules (outlined above by PaintedHorseCowboy), yet in the next sentance, you say that we should be able to buy back XP debt..

Personally, I could care less whether it regenned (as it does now), did not (as it used to) or if we lost a level (per pen-n-paper) .. But buying it back cheapens the whole death thing even more than it is already.

[Ironik]

I'm gonna puke. This topic makes me want to spoon out my kneecaps with rusty spoons. I love people who are to deface this game or DnD for whatever reason.

Bad idea in my honest opinion, xp debt should hurt. You shouldn't be able to 'buy it off'.

[jim0ijk]

I think you just contradicted yourself .. You want it to follow PnP rules (outlined above by PaintedHorseCowboy), yet in the next sentance, you say that we should be able to buy back XP debt..

Personally, I could care less whether it regenned (as it does now), did not (as it used to) or if we lost a level (per pen-n-paper) .. But buying it back cheapens the whole death thing even more than it is already.

I did not say that I want it to follow, PnP rules, I simply stated that it does not; making PnP rules irrelevant. I do not think that buying it off cheapens death more than regening XP debt. I also don't see how buying back XP devolves the game more than enhancements with denegrate DnD ability scores and feats, and spells. I don't see how spell points don't denegrate the DnD spell system. The game follows much of the spirit of DnD, particularly the feel of small group adventuring. However I abhor XP farming and enjoy soloing, particularly when I have an undetermined amout of playning time so I can't commit to a group. Because of these situations XP is precious to me. But I am unsure that having a mindflayer reset your feats is less of a change from the game than being able to buy back XP.

[Dariun]

\Last thing, I once saw a thread on there being a death counter or times since last death counter. I liked this idea a lot. The op said why not get an xp bonus for going so many quests without dying (whatever...would just like the counter). This would be a great way to give another goal in the game, even without reward. If you do not like the counter, turn it off or do not look at it. Though you could somehow make it into a favor thing for so many quests without deaths?

I believe in LOTRO you can earn a title that appears after your name for reaching certain levels without dying. Purely cosmetic, but it is something.

[Sojourner]

I believe in LOTRO you can earn a title that appears after your name for reaching certain levels without dying. Purely cosmetic, but it is something.

Yeah, you can. Every 5 levels or something you got a title for not dieing. I really liked that concept. Wouldn't mind seeing something similar in DDo.

[issiana]

Yeah, you can. Every 5 levels or something you got a title for not dieing. I really liked that concept. Wouldn't mind seeing something similar in DDo.

Its not that great. basically it was a buggy sort of thing to try to achieve. Any sort of lag and it was all over. for a time even if someone in your group died it stopped you getting the title. There was much hate towards the titles and it basically said you where a solo player who took no risks at all.

In the end if you wanted that title you NEVER grouped with anyone unless they sort the title to, never raided, never did quests as they could kill you. All you did was go out grind killing creature spawns.

/sarcasim on

Yeah sounds like fun, lol

/sarcasim off

Tried to get it, got it in beta , hated it, now i just play and have fun. From my experience in lotro that title is a bad thing.

[Arlith]

I did not say that I want it to follow, PnP rules, I simply stated that it does not; making PnP rules irrelevant. I do not think that buying it off cheapens death more than regening XP debt. I also don't see how buying back XP devolves the game more than enhancements with denegrate DnD ability scores and feats, and spells. I don't see how spell points don't denegrate the DnD spell system. The game follows much of the spirit of DnD, particularly the feel of small group adventuring. However I abhor XP farming and enjoy soloing, particularly when I have an undetermined amout of playning time so I can't commit to a group. Because of these situations XP is precious to me. But I am unsure that having a mindflayer reset your feats is less of a change from the game than being able to buy back XP.

I can see where it would suit your style of play. But, there needs to be a line. This just opens a door that should not be opened. What price do you put on it?? Once you do the door is open and a foot put on the path to chaos. Say it happens, and you can buy back XP debt for, I don't know, 1 mil plat per 10,000 xp. Then someone, or several someones come along and say THAT is unfair, because THEIR style of play does not allow them to obtain 1 mil plat. It's not FAIR that only those who loot for plat can regen XP debt, etc etc etc. It only goes downhill from there.

I like soloing. I do it myself when there is nothing else to do, or like yourself I do not know how long I will be on. But this game is based on the group dynamic. There are those who don't need it, sure. But the design was for this game to be played in groups. XP debt is not hard to recover in a group. Pretty easy in fact.

Buying out XP debt is like kissing your sister. Sure she's a hot piece of fluff with a bag full of goodies, but its just WRONG man!

[Dariun]

Its not that great. basically it was a buggy sort of thing to try to achieve. Any sort of lag and it was all over. for a time even if someone in your group died it stopped you getting the title. There was much hate towards the titles and it basically said you where a solo player who took no risks at all.

In the end if you wanted that title you NEVER grouped with anyone unless they sort the title to

Assuming that is "sport the title too" (not criticizing -- I make typos all the time, just trying not to misunderstand), I think that would be great.

If people who think /death is a valid mission strategy had a way to look at me and say "OMG, don't invite him, he's one of those people who hate dying!" I think that would be better for both sides.

Now, from my brief experience in LOTRO (lvl 9 in beta), it is much easier to not die there as there are ways to get XP without fighting and DDO quests have a lot of built in death traps (e.g., go in room, gate closes behind you, you are separated from the party in a room with two mephits and some traps going off nonstop, ahhhhhhhh!! -- I somehow survived that this weekend ).