User Psychology Vs. Reality...

[Arnya]

If it's somehow more convincing of how the Reaver raid can be difficult even after knowing the basic tricks and having a decently built party, then yes, yes I would. Yes, it is difficult if you have no idea what you are doing, or if you decide to take a group of 12 tanks into there for some reason, but that is to be expected. Barring an exceptionaly difficult end puzzle, I see no reason a decently built group of 12 competent people should fail that raid on normal.

This goes for every other raid as well. None of them are truly difficult now, any problems or failures are caused by human errors, not because of the difficulty of the quest. Compared to the pre-nerf Titan and pre-nerf Dragon, raids now are nothing but spoon-fed raid loot.

Are they challenging? They can be a bit. Are they entertaining? For the most part, yes. But in general, most people can expect to complete a raid they enter 9/10 times. And that isn't difficult.

This is the sort of post this thread is about isn't it, Jeff?

Thanks for the exempli gratis there Morgoth.

[Morgoth_the_Enemy]

This is the sort of post this thread is about isn't it, Jeff?

Thanks for the exempli gratis there Morgoth.

Brush it aside however you'd like, but I personally decline determining how difficult I believe raids are based on a mental mistake somebody in your party made.

[Arnya]

Brush it aside however you'd like, but I personally decline determining how difficult I believe raids are based on a mental mistake somebody in your party made.

TROLL!!

Read the whole post dude, this is a major argument HJH is making - that people, like yourself, discount user error. This is a large factor in whether the raid is successful or not. Many people raid with guilds at wierd times and may not be at the top of their game. This is a very valid statistic to include in this thread.

Please try to come off a little less holier-than-thou and you may be received a little better on the forums

[Hvymetal]

Seriously Morgoth, you illustrated HJH's point almost perfectly.....

[DelScorcho]

And I remember people *****ing about the Shadow Tomb raids, same thing - too difficult - in fact people refuse to run them because they're so difficult. "They're just not very much fun." - Which is what happens when you make something difficult.

The Shadow Tomb missions are not difficult. They have unfun aspects that make people not want to run them. Swim for 5 minutes, jump out and kill three undead, and resume swimming just isn't that appealing unless you need the favor, especially since the chests are terrible.