Weekly Dev Activities: 8/20/07

[Laith]

And no, newbies have no business running most Elite quests before level 5.

if you have never been drug into a quest that was beyond your groups ability level, i envy you. I KNOW BETTER and I still go with it from time to time. Never ends well... but i have the resources/knowledge to not be running around cursed afterwards.

my guess is that this change will have NO EFFECT on anything but low level adventurers that don't have any money (ie. newbies) for potions.

/death is more expensive in healing than 1 charge of a remove curse wand... let alone XP debt.

[Syrin]

These changes are in the right direction. Two observations:

NEEDS to be 20 raids and a COMPLETE list Devs, the way you are proposing has me potentially going 60 days tring to get an item, and not even being guaranteed to get the item.

You should convert the dragon and the demon queen to be more like the titan and the reaver. VON 1-4 and the wiz king/burning city/bowl of blood have become BUSY WORK, where it is not fun at all to repeat so many "pre-raid" quests only to get junk raid loot.


to summarize:
Remove pre-raid of Demon Queen and Red dragon
Guarantee a full raid loot list after 20 trys.



These 2 things would increase the fun factor. Which, i believe, is your goal.

[Vinos]

One of the best Dev notes i've seen. Also I am 99.99999999% sure that the raid counters for end rewards will be reset when MOD 5 goes live.

[mocat]

NEW - Every 20th time you finish a raid quest your end quest rewards will be selected from the raid loot table instead of being randomly generated. The number of items to choose from will be just under half of the total number of raid items without any duplicates. This is in addition to the normal chance of raid loot dropping for each player during the raid.

Nice.

See everyone..... the devs do listen and try to be fair.

Ok, you may now return to your regularly scheduled complaining.

What is the sound of a hundred forum trolls shutting up in unison?

This:

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NEW - Okay okay, Drexelhand's defeat will go un-noticed then.

You guys have fun torturing us poor souls don't you.

[Impaqt]

One of the best Dev notes i've seen. Also I am 99.99999999% sure that the raid counters for end rewards will be reset when MOD 5 goes live.

No they wont because there ISNT a counter righ tnow.. WHy would the devs be traking how many times any of us have done a raid right now? As long as we wait the 3 Days. If they were tracking the number of completions, it would of been super easy for them to cath the folks who were exloiting the reaver raid....

That being swaid, it would be nice for the devs to at least start us out with our counters at say... 10.. So 10 more raids till we get the reward then once we hit that it resets to 0.

[Vinos]

No they wont because there ISNT a counter righ tnow.. WHy would the devs be traking how many times any of us have done a raid right now? As long as we wait the 3 Days. If they were tracking the number of completions, it would of been super easy for them to cath the folks who were exloiting the reaver raid....

That being swaid, it would be nice for the devs to at least start us out with our counters at say... 10.. So 10 more raids till we get the reward then once we hit that it resets to 0.

Semantics. The timer will start at zero no matter how you want to say it.

[jkm]

No they wont because there ISNT a counter righ tnow.. WHy would the devs be traking how many times any of us have done a raid right now? As long as we wait the 3 Days. If they were tracking the number of completions, it would of been super easy for them to cath the folks who were exloiting the reaver raid....

That being swaid, it would be nice for the devs to at least start us out with our counters at say... 10.. So 10 more raids till we get the reward then once we hit that it resets to 0.

they keep track, well at least until your capped.

[skraus1]

No they wont because there ISNT a counter righ tnow.. WHy would the devs be traking how many times any of us have done a raid right now? As long as we wait the 3 Days. If they were tracking the number of completions, it would of been super easy for them to cath the folks who were exloiting the reaver raid....

This is simply not true. If they had a counter, which they might already since they do have a counter used for ransack, then they could tell the people who were successful many times. HOW they were successful is another issue. NV for example runs the reaver succesfully 5-7 times a week, and has done so for weeks, without ever using the well-known exploits. I know other guilds that do the same.

[jkm]

NEW - Black wolves, such as those in the Searing Heights, now use their trip ability much more rarely.

someone must have gotten tired of my many bug reports.

question - do you list when you fix all of those annoying surfing spots?

[Citymorg]

Dear Turbine,
Thank you for listening and taking such quick actions on issues like Raid Loot and Global Messaging.

[Impaqt]

This is simply not true. If they had a counter, which they might already since they do have a counter used for ransack, then they could tell the people who were successful many times. HOW they were successful is another issue. NV for example runs the reaver succesfully 5-7 times a week, and has done so for weeks, without ever using the well-known exploits. I know other guilds that do the same.

5-7 Times a Week with the same characters? THats simly not posible without cheating in some way shape or form. Probobly not a good idea to admit that on the forums.

ANd you guys are kinda right about the Counter.. There has to be one (or two)in some way shape or form. But they could not use the same counter for this as the ransak counter resets every 7 days and the Quest repetition counter stops when the character is capped.

[GeneralDiomedes]

NEEDS to be 20 raids and a COMPLETE list Devs, the way you are proposing has me potentially going 60 days tring to get an item, and not even being guaranteed to get the item.

These 2 things would increase the fun factor. Which, i believe, is your goal.

Some people think that not being guaranteed to get something is actualy more more fun when you finally get it.

[Cyr]

Every 20 times raiding you get end rewards from the raid loot table is pretty nice. Even with my 6 toons reaver ready I have run it over 20 times with most of them and getting a +3 tome after doing that is really nice (pretty good odds of one of those since there are 6 on the table). Also am very pleased that the devs listened to our feedback about increased odds of raid loot for harder settings (can we get an exact odds on hard? even though it will normal or elite 99% of time ) Also for the +2/+3 tome thing in reaver can I say woot!! And does this mean that +2 tomes can drop in other elite level 14 chests or just reaver warded chest (and if so hmmm huh will have to see that loot table now)

[Graal]

The drop rate for raid items is increased on higher difficulty numbers for all raids but not all raids were increased to 25% on Elite. Some of our raids do not become all that much more difficult on higher difficulties so they did not recieve as much of an increase.

The removal of +2 tomes dropping from the Stormreaver is soley to avoid both bound and unbound +2 tomes dropping in the same chest.

There will be at least a /command in Mod5, similar to /quest, to view a character's number of completions for raid quests. We are also working on adding the number of completions to the Adventure Compendium for all quests, just in case you wondered how many times you have done Prison of the Planes.

We have always kept track of the number of times a character completes a quest. Previous completions will count towards the bonus raid end quest reward list. Most characters will therefore need fewer than 20 additional completions before getting the new raid end quest reward list.

[Mad_Bombardier]

The removal of +2 tomes dropping from the Stormreaver is soley to avoid both bound and unbound +2 tomes dropping in the same chest.

So, are you adding unbound +2 tomes to level 14-16 chests or is this simply in preparation for Elite runs on future +1 loot weekends?

[Wulf_Ratbane]

Nice changes, Turbine. It is good to see you respond so affirmatively to player input.

However, it's obvious now if it wasn't before: Give them an inch, and they'll take a mile.

See also: Narrow end of the wedge; camel's nose/tent.

[Cyr]

Okay so our previous completions count, woot! towards 20 counter. Does that mean if we have done a raid lets say 40 times that the next two times we complete we will get raid end rewards or just the next time (as of this going live I mean). Or does it mean that counter is just on a loop so that the 40 previous times just reset your counter to 0 so will still take another 20 runs? Would love to see the first option (clearly ).

[Ziggy]

We have always kept track of the number of times a character completes a quest. Previous completions will count towards the bonus raid end quest reward list. Most characters will therefore need fewer than 20 additional completions before getting the new raid end quest reward list.

SWEET.

now what happens if weve completed 21 RAIDs? will we be at 1, or 19?

[Maldini]

The drop rate for raid items is increased on higher difficulty numbers for all raids but not all raids were increased to 25% on Elite. Some of our raids do not become all that much more difficult on higher difficulties so they did not recieve as much of an increase.

The removal of +2 tomes dropping from the Stormreaver is soley to avoid both bound and unbound +2 tomes dropping in the same chest.

There will be at least a /command in Mod5, similar to /quest, to view a character's number of completions for raid quests. We are also working on adding the number of completions to the Adventure Compendium for all quests, just in case you wondered how many times you have done Prison of the Planes.

We have always kept track of the number of times a character completes a quest. Previous completions will count towards the bonus raid end quest reward list. Most characters will therefore need fewer than 20 additional completions before getting the new raid end quest reward list.

Okay, then what happens to people who have, let's say, completed the Velah about 60 times since it came out last July? Do they get 3 raids in a row in which they get to choose what they want?

[Kire]

Could we Maybe have a command to move our completions from one toon to another? I have done reaver atleast 15+ times on my caster and gotten everything i would ever want for him, but my tank still needs alot of stuff. I dont go with him as often so he only has like 3 completions. Maybe if i could transfer it....

~Kire