Weekly Dev Activities: 8/20/07

[Capstern]

There are two counters, an internal 'total' counter of the number of times you're run POP - and then another counter of the number of times you have run POP while not XP capped. The '0' times you see is the latter counter; the former counter currently isn't exposed by the client, but will be exposed once the new command is added.

Garth

I know that was what I was telling Rid

[ahpook]

What is whinging?
Is that a Pink Floyd song?

British term. To complain or protest, especially in an annoying or persistent manner.

Seems to describe the ado about raid loot that was going on (and likely will again).

[Ziggy]

Ahhh I can see how this could read that way....but alas he is still sorta unclear...but I will assume it is as you say then

Cause that is how I would least like it :P

Does the end reward trigger on the 20th run or is it the first run after 20
I just like to be clear :P

graal says evenly divisible. which means no remainder.

45 has a remainder of 5, 60 does not.

So if you arent at 20,40,60,80,100 runs(well technically 19,39,59,79,99) when this goes live, you will not recieve the special list until you hit a total of 20,40,60,80,100.

[Soul-Shaker]

A character who's number of completions for a particular raid quest is evenly divisible by 20 will recieve the new raid end quest reward. This results in most characters needing fewer than 20 repetitions to get the bonus end reward the first time.

A few characters will need to complete the quest 20 more times if they happen to have just completed their 20th (or 40th or 60th etc) run just before Module 5 goes live. We felt that it was better to give out early raid loot to most characters rather than having special case (i.e. risky) code to reset everyone to 0.

Ouch, well I'm reading this as "well powergamers, your on 101 and will get no reward till 120". Instead of maybe, your on 101 and on your next 5 runs, or just next 1 run, you will get a reward for all your efforts. This just feels like another stab at the hardcore.

Will +2/3 tomes be on this new reward lists?

[Capstern]

British term. To complain or protest, especially in an annoying or persistent manner.

Seems to describe the ado about raid loot that was going on (and likely will again).

I disagree - judging from what i have seen here most people are finding this a viable compromise over what was proposed about 2 weeks ago.

I know I find that I can live with it. If I can grind for 25 scales 5 times I can certainly just run the raids until I get a good shot at what I want

I would still like to know if tomes are considered raid loot as one entry of possibility on the end reward or if they eat up 6 slots

Cause honestly +2 tomes are nice but not if they are screwing up my chance at the SoS for my barbarian

[bobbryan2]

A character who's number of completions for a particular raid quest is evenly divisible by 20 will recieve the new raid end quest reward. This results in most characters needing fewer than 20 repetitions to get the bonus end reward the first time.

A few characters will need to complete the quest 20 more times if they happen to have just completed their 20th (or 40th or 60th etc) run just before Module 5 goes live. We felt that it was better to give out early raid loot to most characters rather than having special case (i.e. risky) code to reset everyone to 0.

While I think it's awesome that you guys are counting previous raids towards our counter.

It seems a little crummy that there wouldn't be a special case for anyone that has completed the 20 raid hurdle.

Because it doesn't just affect people that have 20 raids... anyone over 20 raids will be missing a raid item. It seems like the problem would fix itself if you allowed a person to get their raid reward from the quest giver if they're over 20 raids.

There won't be that many people that have 40 or more raids under their belt on a single character, but I think it's worth rewarding those people for that accomplishment. (admittedly after 40 raids, a character should have whatever items he wants... but who knows).

I guess instead of using a modular function, you guys should at least acknowledge the whole numbers in the division.

[Graal]

Tomes are part of the raid item list and are included in the bonus raid end quest rewards.

Example: Vault of Night has 19 raid items and 6 different +2 tomes.
Bonus raid item list includes 12 unique items out of the total 25 possible.

[Gypsy_Mouse]

• The Reavers Fate quest will no longer inform players on success via the world broadcast.

Ok, so now we just get the failures splashed all over the screen.
Why can't this be done away with ENTIRELY?
If you're insistent on keeping this, is it so terribly difficult to add another box to check in our options as to whether we WANT to see these world broadcasts?

• NEW - Okay okay, Drexelhand's defeat will go un-noticed then.

Whew!

[Riddikulus]

Ouch, well I'm reading this as "well powergamers, your on 101 and will get no reward till 120". Instead of maybe, your on 101 and on your next 5 runs, or just next 1 run, you will get a reward for all your efforts. This just feels like another stab at the hardcore.

I don't see it that way.

This is being added in conjunction with the change in mechanics to 1 in 6. So all your previous 0-19 raids had 2 loot drops per raid, so technically don't count towards the "20".

The way he really wanted to do it was reset everyone to zero as of mod 5, but he took the easier and less impacting way out by not changing the counter, so some people will randomly get them a little bit earlier. I don't see that as a big deal, powergamer or not.

[Drith]

The above mentioned NEW changes along with the rumors that we have heard about the Black Abbot raid are AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME.

This proves to me more then ever before that the Devs at Turbine listen to their player base more then the devs in any other MMO that I have ever played.

With the MOD 5 "nerf" that was originaly proposed my entire guild was worried about the future of DDO. Now I think more then ever we are all excited for the future of DDO and are planning to stay with this game for a long long long time.

BIG THANKS AGAIN TO ALL THE DEVELOPERS FOR YOUR CONTINUAL OUTSTANDING ABILITY TO LISTEN TO YOUR PLAYER BASE AND MAKE GOOD SMART DECISIONS THAT MAKE THE GAME BETTER FOR EVERYONE!!!

HERE HERE !

Dryth
Founder

[Capstern]

Tomes are part of the raid item list and are included in the bonus raid end quest rewards.

Example: Vault of Night has 19 raid items and 6 different +2 tomes.
Bonus raid item list includes 12 unique items out of the total 25 possible.

Ok that answers my question - so tomes will lower the chance of items you might want but tomes are nice too

[Capstern]

I don't see it that way.

This is being added in conjunction with the change in mechanics to 1 in 6. So all your previous 0-19 raids had 2 loot drops per raid, so technically don't count towards the "20".

The way he really wanted to do it was reset everyone to zero as of mod 5, but he took the easier and less impacting way out by not changing the counter, so some people will randomly get them a little bit earlier. I don't see that as a big deal, powergamer or not.

nice logic I can accept this

[Montrose]

Ahhh I can see how this could read that way....but alas he is still sorta unclear...but I will assume it is as you say then

Cause that is how I would least like it :P

Does the end reward trigger on the 20th run or is it the first run after 20
I just like to be clear :P

I would assume that this is a simply modulo.

if ( (YourToon.ThisRaid.Completions % 20) == 0)
{
ForceRaidLoot();
}

[binnsr]

There are two counters, an internal 'total' counter of the number of times you're run POP - and then another counter of the number of times you have run POP while not XP capped. The '0' times you see is the latter counter; the former counter currently isn't exposed by the client, but will be exposed once the new command is added.

Garth

Were I doing the coding (and its been a looong time since I wrote code), I would have them on the same counter, but if you're XP-capped, then temporarily change the variable to 0.
something like this would suffice..

repetition_count = fancy sql statement to fetch repetition count from database
xp= fancy sql statement to fetch xp from database
if (( xp == cap)) {repetition_count=0}

[Muirtach]

Oops, NM

note to self: read all of the thread before asking questions

[Hence]

Thanks for the great follow up Graal.

These changes sound worlds better now. I am actually excited about raids.

Anyone else notice how Graal really takes pride in what he does for this game? Three cheers for Graal's hard work and dedication!!

[Fallout]

I like the new changes too. It encourages more people to go on raid, encourages larger groups, encourages hard/elite settings and eventually get the item you want.

[bobbryan2]

To go further... it seems to me that the modular division is just a really odd way to do it.

Someone with 19 raids will get their piece of raid loot next run. Someone with 20 raids will have to wait an additional 20 raids to get their loot.

I understand the "greater good" being served by giving most people less than 20 runs, but it isn't a strictly fair way to do it, either. If you're rewarding 19 runs more than 20 and 18 runs more then 43... the whole function is little more than a random number generator. (Not in practicality, but I can't speak definitively without looking at all the numbers)

I would presume most characters are under 20 raids for a character, but it still doesn't sit well with me to punish people for having raided 2 more times than someone with 18 runs under their belt.

This is especially true, as there is no way to check how many raids I've completed on a character. Between now and Mod 5, I have to make educated guesses on whether I should run a character or not. If I think I have somewhere between 16-20 runs on a character... should I just not run that character anymore in hopes that I don't get screwed over by the roll over?

Just do yourselves a favor, and award raid loot to people based on the whole number component when they first log in after Mod 5. It would have all the benefits of your above system AND it wouldn't needlessly screw over people that have completed the raid 21 times. The only downside would be the need to quickly code up a series of programs to offer the raid loot. And while that might be risky and/or difficult to do in the time allotted, it would be the far 'better' solution.

[hannika]

What is the sound of a hundred forum trolls shutting up in unison?

yes yes it was heheeheh

[Symar-FangofLloth]

The changes look great to me. It'll take me forever to run a raid 20 times anyawy, heh.