Please Fix Undeath To Death and Circle of Death

[Harbinder]

Anyone else think it's lame we have two awesome spells we can't even use at our level?

Why scale up mobs' hit dice, and not scale up spells based on hit dice, if you are using guidelines from dnd rules?

[Ziggy]

Anyone else think it's lame we have two awesome spells we can't even use at our level? Why scale up mobs' hit dice, and not scale up spells based on hit dice, if you are using guidelines from dnd rules?

The devs had said before they do not add HD, they simply inflate the HP's.

what is the CR of the monster and what type of monster are you trying to use it on?

also normal hard or elite?

[Charmazal]

I've heard from quite a few people that these are highly underwhelming spells, expecially on hard/elite.

[Harbinder]

I dont know...but the spells never, ever work on mobs in quests my level, even on normal. Maybe I'm just getting terrible, terrible rolls.

[The_Cataclysm]

Well, it would work if you were facing a horde of lower level stuff, which they never throw at it.

[jkm]

The devs had said before they do not add HD, they simply inflate the HP's.

what is the CR of the monster and what type of monster are you trying to use it on?

also normal hard or elite?

banishers work on the earth ellies in von3 on normal, but don't work on hard or elite.

[Ziggy]

banishers work on the earth ellies in von3 on normal, but don't work on hard or elite.

Thats because the HD of an elite VOn 3 EE is above 25.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Undeath to Death works great in rest for the Restless!

[Dharma]

This spell can "destroy" max 4 9HD undead. Seems a little shy of a good spell considering you get it when the average mob is CR12+. It is worthless imho unless you go to do lower quests.

[llevenbaxx]

Onlly thing I have used Circle of Death on is low level favor. Very cool spell there. Anything level appropriate, it gets a big two thumbs down. Why did they even bother putting them in the game in their current state.

In PnP it would be very useful in taking out a couple of the head guys lackies. In DDO, even the lackies seem unaffected by this spell, much less any rat, toad or CR17 cockroach found in any level appropriate quest.

[Harbinder]

If they even made spell focus feats and items to affect these spells, somehow...for the HD...just please, make these spells work at our level!