<Guild Name> Guild Only Raid LFMs

[Ekental]

I'm curious as to why these go up, and after a lot of extrapolation and a couple dozen bizarre theories I figured I'd just ask.

I'm pretty positive that there's no trouble seeing who's on the guild tab, although the idea that the entirety of the guild is blind and has to play via a computer compatible form of brail had crossed my mind.

I'm also fairly certain the various guild members running around with <insert raid gear here> makes it apparent that raids have indeed, happened in the guild.

I figured the situation was really out of hand today when I saw a "<Guild Name> Guild Only PoP" run.

I'm holding my breath for a Guild Only WW run at some point as well.

[Kirris]

Heya Ek,
I have always wondered what that was about too Always thought it was perhaps some guilds way of bragging that they were raiding (not sure why you would do that, but stranger things have happened) but that doesn't begin to explain the POP LFM

[Aaeko]

Heya Ek,
I have always wondered what that was about too Always thought it was perhaps some guilds way of bragging that they were raiding (not sure why you would do that, but stranger things have happened) but that doesn't begin to explain the POP LFM

It bugs me to, but maybe its incentive for unguilded people to join guilds because they want to raid

[Flamegaze]

Macfionn thank you. Beat me to the point I was going to make.


Lebrac the fact that you or anyone else is making fun of me is in no way going to change my behavior. especially to something that "U" would find more acceptable. On the contrary it tends bring out the mule in me. I believe someone has misinformed you that our Guild is made up of thin skinned individuals easily influnced by the finger pointing of others. I have seen, in earlier posts. That a few of my guild mates have made the attempt to answer an honest question with a brief outline of our practices and the reasons we do so. This resulted in combustion. So will try to explain it on your level.

We dUe it tht wa, beCAuse we like it. It wOrks for us. We didn't MEan to hurt UR feelings. If u don't tell Turbine on us well GIVE U a candy cane!!!!!111


Now back to reasonable individuals. Slothman911. The LFM that you made mention of with " dont' hate because you can't come " , or words to that effect. I happened to be in that group. That was not intended as it was taken. When the Mythical Only LFM was posted by the party leader. He was hit with a rash of hatefull tells, some of them cussing him for it. So instead of telling Turbine on them with a harrasment complaint. He tweaked their noses a little bit. All in good fun.

[Marrra]

Macfionn thank you.

Aye, very well said.

[Catiriona]

Now back to reasonable individuals. Slothman911. The LFM that you made mention of with " dont' hate because you can't come " , or words to that effect. I happened to be in that group. That was not intended as it was taken. When the Mythical Only LFM was posted by the party leader. He was hit with a rash of hatefull tells, some of them cussing him for it. So instead of telling Turbine on them with a harrasment complaint. He tweaked their noses a little bit. All in good fun.

If this was the only instance of similar "flaming" guild only LFMs I'd say you had a point, but the very first time I saw these on the very first day of the merger there were ones like this. I will take your word that this was a single instance with your guild that occurred under duress but i doubt all are.

There have been some reasonable explanations for the practice, I grant you that, but many of those have been sprinkled with "the reason you question this is your just jealous" comments. Unfortunately this tends to lend credence to the posts that this seems a bit like bragging. Believe it or not most if not all those who have called this practice into question run raids regularly... and dare I say it even multiple and/or simultaneous raids in a night and have done so with little hassle not using the LFMs. I see most of the commenters are also guilded so the snubs I have seen there are also invalid.

I do think there has been one comment that has some merit to it. Although I rarely use LFMs, many do and the point that seeing a page full of LFMs all or most "guild only" would be frustrating. I am not saying this is a reason to stop the practice, but I think a little understanding for the people that find it annoying would be in order.

Regardless as it has been mentioned before this will all die down one way or another. My only suggestion would be to try not to make those LFMs anything but exactly what they are a way to organize your guild group. Any of the "flaming commentary" on them will be taken exactly as they are, elitist, whether the intention is there or not.

[soupertc]

LOL.....me and my buddies were wondering the same thing!! Guild Chat could do the same thing I would think, but hey I guess they have their reasons ya know. Must be something brought over from their old server or just to let everyone know they raid.

But PoP???? LMAO.....that takes the cake.

[Pecky]

A) Done by those who think they are in the "leet" guilds in an effort to make themselves look "all that".

B) Its easier to have your guildmates click on an LFM when you're going with a full 12 people. Inviting can be annoying especially when people are bouncing between characters. Its simpler to just tell them to click on the LFM and be done with it.

[Riorik]

I suppose it's lazy or convenient or both.
I really don't see why it's a problem when it goes up - I'd just recommend not trying to barge your way in - it's a quick and easy way to drop your name onto their /ignore list or worse.

I suppose if you know somebody really well on that lfm you might try asking directly.

[Palmetto]

I'd just recommend not trying to barge your way in - it's a quick and easy way to drop your name onto their /ignore list or worse.

ROFLMAO!!

Several months ago I was kicked and squelched for insisting to a party leader that a high charisma character opening the chest first did not affect loot quality. I would place that idiot in the same classification as the "elite" guild only raid lfm's. So, do you really think I would lose any sleep over a "/ignore list or worse" for trying to join one of those groups?

Follow-up: Also lumped into the same category is the fool that squelced me for saying that a Tempest Spine run should not take longer than 20 minutes.

[Tous]

There is also a guild on one of the servers, that may have merged into Sarlona, that has a tiered guild system. I cannot remember the name but, their guild is segmented into 3 or 4 guilds by level.
Would be a easy way to build a raid across a tiered guild.

[barecm]

I really don't understand why this is such a big issue for people. If you are not in that guild, why do you care so much?

To explain the why... Instead of selecting names from a list, inviting each person one by one, it is easier and more efficient to put up a lfm and have those interested join on their own. People may be buying pots or scrolls or finishing a quest ect.. Maybe they want to switch characters and will join when they log back in. It is just more convenient to put an LFM up and allow interested guild members to join when they are ready. Additionally, a lot of guilds have more than 12 members who are ready to raid and its first come first serve.

I wonder why people feel compelled to send tells asking why an LFM is up.

[Ekental]

Ah, well, in an effort to avoid the tells, the thread was made so those curious could learn. By no means is the intent to be offensive.

Many guilds have a raid.. schedule, so members may sign up before hand, or type in 5 minutes beforehand that they want to go, etc etc etc. There are many systems.

A guild can play musical chairs for their raid spots if they want, it's no one else's business.
I did, however, find the possible risk associated with... satisfying my curiosity, acceptable, so I asked.

[Cashiry]

I believe it is just to get the attention of those who are in for instance XXX guild, but are currently playing an alt in $$$ Guild. Thus the reason for these type of LFM's.

[croger1520033]

I really don't understand why this is such a big issue for people. If you are not in that guild, why do you care so much?

To explain the why... Instead of selecting names from a list, inviting each person one by one, it is easier and more efficient to put up a lfm and have those interested join on their own. People may be buying pots or scrolls or finishing a quest ect.. Maybe they want to switch characters and will join when they log back in. It is just more convenient to put an LFM up and allow interested guild members to join when they are ready. Additionally, a lot of guilds have more than 12 members who are ready to raid and its first come first serve.

I wonder why people feel compelled to send tells asking why an LFM is up.

Yea cause it is so hard to do this.

"Hey who wants to do The Shroud??"

"I Do." (right click select invite)

"I Do." (right click select invite)

"I Do." (right click select invite)

"I Do." (right click select invite)

"I Do." (right click select invite)

"I Do." (right click select invite)

"I Do." (right click select invite)

"I Do." (right click select invite)

"I Do." (right click select invite)

"I Do." (right click select invite)

"I Do." (right click select invite)

I guess that takes way longer than people saying

"I Do"

"Ok wait for the lfm then click on it"

Now you make an LFM and Now each person has to hit "O" find your group select it hit join and you hit accept.

Yea I can see the logic here on how it is much more efficient.

LMAO.

[DelScorcho]

Nice necro.

[Tucson_Matt]

I have been off line for a few days and was just told about this thread. My main Character is Beatricks Kiddo and I'm the Leader of Mythical (originally of Adar). I'm not going to comment on what others in our guild have written, nor what people think of Myhtical in general. This appears to have started because people feel offended when guilds (and Mythical is not alone) use the LFM to set up raids. First of all, it's a simple method of forming up a raid when you have a guild that has 20+ members that want to run the raid. We let everyone know that it's going up and it's first come first served (everyone get's a fair shot). I have been asked why we bother doing this and it's simple, we don't have to pick a select few from the guild list. As for anyone thinking it's bragging, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. The Reaver raid sends out a global message when you beat it anyway! There is absolutely no reason this should offend or concern anyone. You ALWAYS have the option of selecting who you want in your group and the fact that we are just utilizing the tools that Turbine has put in place to make it easier for us should not pose a problem to anyone. The fact is that there are people that have nothing better to do than create drama where there is none. We are not going out of our way to bother anyone, just using what is there to make forming our raids easier. If you don't like it, just ignore it.