New VON strategies needed now

[Arjen]

NEW- Crippling strike now occurs with ranged sneak attacks using bows, crossbows, and thrown weapons.


Come on Freeman, this isn't the 1st thing you mentioned?

[Freeman]

NEW- Crippling strike now occurs with ranged sneak attacks using bows, crossbows, and thrown weapons.


Come on Freeman, this isn't the 1st thing you mentioned?

I guess you didn't see the post in the General section? I hadn't checked the European boards until I saw that one. Besides, I heard yesterday from someone that it was already working correctly on Risia, so I only planned on mentioning that in the WDA.

[Symar-FangofLloth]

Wow Arjen, i got ninja'd and it pushed you to the 2nd page!

And crippling strike was mentioned already, before this came up.

[Mercules]

ok..... so they are expecting a NORMAL(not elite)lvl 8-10 toon to be able to solo whatever is at the pillar they r, becuase when more than 1 person is a bridge Velah destroys it! the op is right we need a new plan of attack now.

Turbine has this bad habit of trying to fix a problem and going overboard.
example: TS raid. Yes it was tooo easy, but now its a 50/50 because the boss starts swinging and mostly has killed you before you load in......

now expecting a single ftr to solo the mobs at each pillar???

Sorcerer/Wizard - Hypnotism - Hypnotic Pattern - Fear - Mass Persuasion - Symbol of Fear - Symbol of Persuasion - Otto's Sphere of Dancing - Symbol of Stunning.

Cleric - Greater Command - Symbol of Fear - Symbol of Persuasion - Symbol of Stunning.

Bard - Hypnotism - Hypnotic Pattern - Fear - Otto's Sphere of Dancing - Mass Suggestion

Fighter/Barbarian/Paladin/Ranger - Paralyzer weapon with Cleave and/or Great Cleave.

Basically anything that will let you Crowd Control the mobs until someone else can get over there to help you out. Shadow Walk can get some of these casters close enough to get their spell off.

[Mad_Bombardier]

ok..... so they are expecting a NORMAL(not elite)lvl 8-10 toon to be able to solo whatever is at the pillar they r, becuase when more than 1 person is a bridge Velah destroys it! the op is right we need a new plan of attack now.

I think this is key. Look at level 10 character abilities/spells on Normal setting. No Dance Party (not even scrolls until level 11), so Fascinate, (Heightened) Hypnotic Pattern, Fear for neutralization.

[Theboz]

has anybody ever thought about maybe ranging the pilliars.

[Blazer]

I think this is key. Look at level 10 character abilities/spells on Normal setting. No Dance Party (not even scrolls until level 11), so Fascinate, (Heightened) Hypnotic Pattern, Fear for neutralization.

I haven't played around with Fear much, so my question is this: say the pillar mobs are able to leash and you cast Fear on them. They run away, run away. If they run to their leash point and come back, do they lose the Fear? Does that get wiped, similar to how they get all their HP back when they leash? Or will they just return back from leash, still Feared, and run away again?

[Ken_Dorak]

New requirement for dragon raids: Bards who can survive long enough to fascinate each island

Finally, I have a sense of purpose and meaning!

[Shadow_Flayer]

Come on, just charm the mobs. They love hitting the pillar for you! Their synchonization can use a bit of help though

[Onubis]

Sorcerer/Wizard - Hypnotism - Hypnotic Pattern - Fear - Mass Persuasion - Symbol of Fear - Symbol of Persuasion - Otto's Sphere of Dancing - Symbol of Stunning.

Cleric - Greater Command - Symbol of Fear - Symbol of Persuasion - Symbol of Stunning.

Bard - Hypnotism - Hypnotic Pattern - Fear - Otto's Sphere of Dancing - Mass Suggestion

Fighter/Barbarian/Paladin/Ranger - Paralyzer weapon with Cleave and/or Great Cleave.

Basically anything that will let you Crowd Control the mobs until someone else can get over there to help you out. Shadow Walk can get some of these casters close enough to get their spell off.

you're talking high lvl stuff and elitest stuff, im talking lvl8-10's or the people who dont have para's etc. when the quest was inital designed to be played. a lvl8's hypno probably aint stopping **** in there, thats if he can get close enough and cast fast enough before hes murdered. Some1 said shadowwalk could get them close enough but last i heard that spell was bugged.

[Laith]

the new tactic'll depend on how tight their leashes are.

if they don't leave the islands, it'll be easy to have 1 person overrun the target base, clear aggro, and now you have 2 people run at the base: 1 from each side.

then, of course, there is the fact that every piller can be ranged.

love all the ruckus though.

[Mercules]

you're talking high lvl stuff and elitest stuff, im talking lvl8-10's or the people who dont have para's etc. when the quest was inital designed to be played. a lvl8's hypno probably aint stopping **** in there, thats if he can get close enough and cast fast enough before hes murdered. Some1 said shadowwalk could get them close enough but last i heard that spell was bugged.

A level 8 Bard has Fear on top of his other CC and at level 10 can have Otto's Sphere of Dancing.

A level 9 Cleric has Greater Command.

A level 8 Sorcerer/Wizard has Fear not to mention Hypnotism/Hypnotic Sphere, both of which CAN be heightened for greater effect.

[Onubis]

A level 8 Bard has Fear on top of his other CC and at level 10 can have Otto's Sphere of Dancing.

A level 9 Cleric has Greater Command.

A level 8 Sorcerer/Wizard has Fear not to mention Hypnotism/Hypnotic Sphere, both of which CAN be heightened for greater effect.

ok i know im sounding like im defending the exploit, but im not. Im arguing against over doing the fix. the problem still lies in the fact the cc'r will probably end up dead if he goes first to the pillars. allow for 2 people to cross the bridges at the same time without fear of the bridges taking dmg or being destroyed.

[Hvymetal]

Sorcerer/Wizard - Hypnotism - Hypnotic Pattern - Fear - Mass Persuasion - Symbol of Fear - Symbol of Persuasion - Otto's Sphere of Dancing - Symbol of Stunning.

Cleric - Greater Command - Symbol of Fear - Symbol of Persuasion - Symbol of Stunning.

Bard - Hypnotism - Hypnotic Pattern - Fear - Otto's Sphere of Dancing - Mass Suggestion

Fighter/Barbarian/Paladin/Ranger - Paralyzer weapon with Cleave and/or Great Cleave.

Basically anything that will let you Crowd Control the mobs until someone else can get over there to help you out. Shadow Walk can get some of these casters close enough to get their spell off.

I don't know how but you missed fascinate on bard

[Hvymetal]

ok i know im sounding like im defending the exploit, but im not. Im arguing against over doing the fix. the problem still lies in the fact the cc'r will probably end up dead if he goes first to the pillars. allow for 2 people to cross the bridges at the same time without fear of the bridges taking dmg or being destroyed.

Depends on the leash now doesnt it? If the mob can't leave the island how is the CC'er going to end up dead?

[Hvymetal]

has anybody ever thought about maybe ranging the pilliars.

No of course not,lol a lot of tanks I've seen don't even carry ranged stuff on em anymore. Give you guys a hint, construct bane works on the pillars...

[Mad_Bombardier]

I haven't played around with Fear much, so my question is this: say the pillar mobs are able to leash and you cast Fear on them. They run away, run away. If they run to their leash point and come back, do they lose the Fear? Does that get wiped, similar to how they get all their HP back when they leash? Or will they just return back from leash, still Feared, and run away again?

Good point, leashing usually does full Heal, so does it also remove spell effects? But, semi-moot point. If you don't chase them, Feared mobs stop a short distance away.

[Aspenor]

Fear is erased when the leash kicks in. Well, actually, it is erased when the leash turns OFF...if you get what I mean.

[Turial]

Don't know about you guys but I used to (back at 10) and still can take down two pillars within the required 6 seconds. I only use a +5 weapon, if I had a better weapon it would be much faster and there wouldn't be those few seconds where the whole group holds their breath as I take out the last of the two pillars assigned to me.

The idea is here in the thread. The implementation is lacking a little and the details need to be worked out. You will get there soon enough. Those who want hints feel free to hit me up in pm.

[Mercules]

I don't know how but you missed fascinate on bard

I was thinking of things you can do from the bridge. I love Fascinate on my Bard, but I often have to get a little closer than I want to if I don't have someone else pulling agro first. I can cast most of those spells from much further away.